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Nintendo indeed selling us ROMs for the Wii Virtual Console
« on: August 13, 2008, 07:36:59 PM »
...and people are complaining?  Well what the fuck did you expect?  My main problem is stupid mother fuckers have of course hacked and decrypted the Virtual Console which means the Wii will die or the Virtual Console will go away.  That was the ENTIRE REASON for me to own a Wii.  Now because of these retards we may NEVER get properly translated Japanese vintage games.  Thanks you retards for ruining it for the rest of us. 

http://www.1emulation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=26916
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Re: Nintendo indeed selling us ROMs for the Wii Virtual Console
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2008, 07:43:05 PM »
What did you expect? This happens with every console. If Nintendo wants to they can easily patch these exploits with a firmware update.
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Re: Nintendo indeed selling us ROMs for the Wii Virtual Console
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2008, 07:46:42 PM »
I'm not sure how one can assume those Japanese games aren't getting translated.

It's not as if Nintendo is hiring guys behind the scenes to do the romhacking.
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Re: Nintendo indeed selling us ROMs for the Wii Virtual Console
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2008, 07:50:59 PM »
Quote from: Deathlike2 on August 13, 2008, 07:46:42 PM
I'm not sure how one can assume those Japanese games aren't getting translated.

It's not as if Nintendo is hiring guys behind the scenes to do the romhacking.

Its only a matter of time before they wake up and realize games like SD3, Treasure Hunter G (which is already out in Japan), and the Dragon Quest games will sell very well.  They've made a killing off of the VC and will continue to if they fix the exploits and release more titles.  I've been stating for almost 2 years that I will pay $$$ for legal vintage games on the Virtual Console (VC for future reference). 

And if the were smart they'd just either hire 3rd parties to translate or just "buy" some of the public's translations -- like the SD3 trans for instance.
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Re: Nintendo indeed selling us ROMs for the Wii Virtual Console
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2008, 07:54:28 PM »
Quote from: JCE3000GT on August 13, 2008, 07:50:59 PM
Quote from: Deathlike2 on August 13, 2008, 07:46:42 PM
I'm not sure how one can assume those Japanese games aren't getting translated.

It's not as if Nintendo is hiring guys behind the scenes to do the romhacking.

Its only a matter of time before they wake up and realize games like SD3, Treasure Hunter G (which is already out in Japan), and the Dragon Quest games will sell very well.  They've made a killing off of the VC and will continue to if they fix the exploits and release more titles.  I've been stating for almost 2 years that I will pay $$$ for legal vintage games on the Virtual Console (VC for future reference). 

And if the were smart they'd just either hire 3rd parties to translate or just "buy" some of the public's translations -- like the SD3 trans for instance.

I'm not sure they will go that route.. because if it is done, it will kill any legal strangehold companies would have on romhacking in general. In other words, they don't want to set the precedent... Mind you, it is profitable if they used their heads.
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Re: Nintendo indeed selling us ROMs for the Wii Virtual Console
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2008, 07:55:00 PM »
I was just going to reply saying the same thing.
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Re: Nintendo indeed selling us ROMs for the Wii Virtual Console
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2008, 08:02:53 PM »
Quote from: Deathlike2 on August 13, 2008, 07:54:28 PM
Quote from: JCE3000GT on August 13, 2008, 07:50:59 PM
Quote from: Deathlike2 on August 13, 2008, 07:46:42 PM
I'm not sure how one can assume those Japanese games aren't getting translated.

It's not as if Nintendo is hiring guys behind the scenes to do the romhacking.

Its only a matter of time before they wake up and realize games like SD3, Treasure Hunter G (which is already out in Japan), and the Dragon Quest games will sell very well.  They've made a killing off of the VC and will continue to if they fix the exploits and release more titles.  I've been stating for almost 2 years that I will pay $$$ for legal vintage games on the Virtual Console (VC for future reference). 

And if the were smart they'd just either hire 3rd parties to translate or just "buy" some of the public's translations -- like the SD3 trans for instance.

I'm not sure they will go that route.. because if it is done, it will kill any legal strangehold companies would have on romhacking in general. In other words, they don't want to set the precedent... Mind you, it is profitable if they used their heads.

The precedent has been set, Sega bought DGen (or Kega?) to use with the Sega Smash packs or whatnot.  They need to just embrace it and start thinking about their wallets and us the consumer and just do it.  They are losing millions of $$$ globally me thinks. 
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Re: Nintendo indeed selling us ROMs for the Wii Virtual Console
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2008, 08:07:01 PM »
Quote from: JCE3000GT on August 13, 2008, 08:02:53 PM
Quote from: Deathlike2 on August 13, 2008, 07:54:28 PM
Quote from: JCE3000GT on August 13, 2008, 07:50:59 PM
Quote from: Deathlike2 on August 13, 2008, 07:46:42 PM
I'm not sure how one can assume those Japanese games aren't getting translated.

It's not as if Nintendo is hiring guys behind the scenes to do the romhacking.

Its only a matter of time before they wake up and realize games like SD3, Treasure Hunter G (which is already out in Japan), and the Dragon Quest games will sell very well.  They've made a killing off of the VC and will continue to if they fix the exploits and release more titles.  I've been stating for almost 2 years that I will pay $$$ for legal vintage games on the Virtual Console (VC for future reference). 

And if the were smart they'd just either hire 3rd parties to translate or just "buy" some of the public's translations -- like the SD3 trans for instance.

I'm not sure they will go that route.. because if it is done, it will kill any legal strangehold companies would have on romhacking in general. In other words, they don't want to set the precedent... Mind you, it is profitable if they used their heads.

The precedent has been set, Sega bought DGen (or Kega?) to use with the Sega Smash packs or whatnot.  They need to just embrace it and start thinking about their wallets and us the consumer and just do it.  They are losing millions of $$$ globally me thinks. 

That's not a precedent for what you are suggesting. It's more of a we'll use someone else's emu to emulate another system.. which is what the Wii Console is doing anyways. No romhacking involved.

The only "legal" workaround that I can see is hiring romhackers and called them "3rd party translators"... it would require slick lawyers to get that accomplished, but that's the best I can come up with.
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Re: Nintendo indeed selling us ROMs for the Wii Virtual Console
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2008, 08:20:41 AM »
Quote from: JCE3000GT on August 13, 2008, 08:02:53 PM
Quote from: Deathlike2 on August 13, 2008, 07:54:28 PM
Quote from: JCE3000GT on August 13, 2008, 07:50:59 PM
Quote from: Deathlike2 on August 13, 2008, 07:46:42 PM
I'm not sure how one can assume those Japanese games aren't getting translated.

It's not as if Nintendo is hiring guys behind the scenes to do the romhacking.

Its only a matter of time before they wake up and realize games like SD3, Treasure Hunter G (which is already out in Japan), and the Dragon Quest games will sell very well.  They've made a killing off of the VC and will continue to if they fix the exploits and release more titles.  I've been stating for almost 2 years that I will pay $$$ for legal vintage games on the Virtual Console (VC for future reference). 

And if the were smart they'd just either hire 3rd parties to translate or just "buy" some of the public's translations -- like the SD3 trans for instance.

I'm not sure they will go that route.. because if it is done, it will kill any legal strangehold companies would have on romhacking in general. In other words, they don't want to set the precedent... Mind you, it is profitable if they used their heads.

The precedent has been set, Sega bought DGen (or Kega?) to use with the Sega Smash packs or whatnot.  They need to just embrace it and start thinking about their wallets and us the consumer and just do it.  They are losing millions of $$$ globally me thinks. 

They didn't buy KGen98, they licensed it.

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Re: Nintendo indeed selling us ROMs for the Wii Virtual Console
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2008, 01:47:30 PM »
They licensed it? That is even stranger... So a software clone of your hardware is fine (emulator), but a derivative work of a game title is not (fan translation)? Seems like an arbitrary distinction to me. Buying the rights and calling it a "3rd party translation" doesn't seem that far-fetched. Really all that would matter is the wording of the script anyway; they can re-assemble the ROM file any way they like...
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Re: Nintendo indeed selling us ROMs for the Wii Virtual Console
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2008, 02:51:53 PM »
Quote from: Imzogelmo on August 14, 2008, 01:47:30 PM
They licensed it? That is even stranger... So a software clone of your hardware is fine (emulator), but a derivative work of a game title is not (fan translation)? Seems like an arbitrary distinction to me. Buying the rights and calling it a "3rd party translation" doesn't seem that far-fetched. Really all that would matter is the wording of the script anyway; they can re-assemble the ROM file any way they like...

Sega is, or at least was, mega friendly to emulation.

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?  My main problem is stupid mother fuckers have of course hacked and decrypted the Virtual Console which means the Wii will die or the Virtual Console will go away.

That's paranoid, to put it mildly. It's been hacked for months, if not a full year. This has been known for quite some time. People have even replaced the roms in VC games with other games. hell, that's been documented on this forum!
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Re: Nintendo indeed selling us ROMs for the Wii Virtual Console
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2008, 04:25:02 PM »
Quote from: I.S.T. on August 14, 2008, 02:51:53 PM
Sega is, or at least was, mega friendly to emulation.

Yep, which is why that topic over at RHDN seemed fishy to me, and in the end it turned out it had absolutely nothing to do with Sega. Believe me, if Sega wanted to go after anyone for ROM hacking it would be the Sonic hackers, they haven't used patches in years now, mostly because they use split disassemblies and the resulting ROM ends up almost completely different from the original--a patch is useless in that case.
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Re: Nintendo indeed selling us ROMs for the Wii Virtual Console
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2008, 04:26:59 PM »
Quote from: Dragonsbrethren on August 14, 2008, 04:25:02 PM
Quote from: I.S.T. on August 14, 2008, 02:51:53 PM
Sega is, or at least was, mega friendly to emulation.

Yep, which is why that topic over at RHDN seemed fishy to me, and in the end it turned out it had absolutely nothing to do with Sega. Believe me, if Sega wanted to go after anyone for ROM hacking it would be the Sonic hackers, they haven't used patches in years now, mostly because they use split disassemblies and the resulting ROM ends up almost completely different from the original--a patch is useless in that case.

That Sega CD version of Sonic 1 Megamix being the shining example of that...

Edit: You edited your post just as I clicked the quote button. By shining example I meant the no patches thing, not why they don't do patches.
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Re: Nintendo indeed selling us ROMs for the Wii Virtual Console
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2008, 10:47:43 PM »
Quote from: I.S.T. on August 14, 2008, 02:51:53 PM
That's paranoid, to put it mildly. It's been hacked for months, if not a full year. This has been known for quite some time. People have even replaced the roms in VC games with other games. hell, that's been documented on this forum!

I didn't even really read that topic yet, on the surface it seems pretty cool to put whatever ROMs you want on the Wii VC.  My main problem with it is people will put ROMs on it that are legally available to purchase because they are cheap.  I have no real issue with people putting up a translated SD3 or what-not since it seems as though it will never get translated ever.  I'd like to play my ROM hacks on it and since I own the original carts (in multiplicity I might add) I don't see a problem with it.  And as long as it doesn't take physically hacking the console--a software expliot is one thing a hardware modification is another.  I can't control anybody but I at least ask those of you here not to go the cheap route and put up exsisting ROMs on your VC. 

And you guys have to remember something, I do not follow any sort of news much less gaming news and much less than that hacking news.  That's why I wasn't really aware of this.
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Re: Nintendo indeed selling us ROMs for the Wii Virtual Console
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2008, 02:35:33 PM »
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See, this is what happens you learn of The Power of Not Reading.

You see, you can only buy VC games straight from Nintendo. Only. It's impossible to sell them. Not only that, but how many people read frigging ROM/emulation site news? How would they even know about this stuff?

Now, instead of, say, freaking the fuck out, do some research next time. The Power of Not Reading is alluring, yes, but in the end it is evil.
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