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« on: June 15, 2008, 01:06:29 AM »
For anyone who's never seen this before:



There are two lines missing there, when they did the translation they accidentally used string terminators ($00) instead of linebreaks ($01) so the other lines are never shown. What it was supposed to be:



To fix it go to headered offsets 0x0DC01 and 0xDC0D and change the $00 bytes to $01.

So why was this never caught during development? Chances are it's because two-handed weapons are grayed out when you have a shield equipped, the testers probably never even thought to try equipping one of these weapons without removing the shield first. I'm guessing two-handed weapons aren't supposed to be grayed out when you have a shield equipped, you'd try to equip the weapon and get this message.

If anyone's curious about the odd indentation, that's because it's identical to the Japanese version:



Had someone actually stumbled onto this string before release the linebreaks probably would've been fixed and the text centered properly.

Interestingly there is a similar string found with the rest of the equipment menu text in the GBA version, it is never used though. It may be a leftover from the WSC version, if anyone has a save in that with a two-handed weapon handy take a look and see.

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Re: To equip
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2008, 01:32:01 AM »
For anyone who's never seen this before:



There are two lines missing there, when they did the translation they accidentally used string terminators ($00) instead of linebreaks ($01) so the other lines are never shown. What it was supposed to be:



To fix it go to headered offsets 0x0DC01 and 0xDC0D and change the $00 bytes to $01.

So why was this never caught during development? Chances are it's because two-handed weapons are grayed out when you have a shield equipped, the testers probably never even thought to try equipping one of these weapons without removing the shield first. I'm guessing two-handed weapons aren't supposed to be grayed out when you have a shield equipped, you'd try to equip the weapon and get this message.

I never really thought too much about it, but my only guess was that it was a pain in the ass to add more code to the equipment highlighting... and/or it would confuse people. Remember this was done way before FF4A (which visualizes this more gracefully).

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If anyone's curious about the odd indentation, that's because it's identical to the Japanese version:



Had someone actually stumbled onto this string before release the linebreaks probably would've been fixed and the text centered properly.

I'm not sure if that's fixed in FF4ET, but probably not.

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Interestingly there is a similar string found with the rest of the equipment menu text in the GBA version, it is never used though. It may be a leftover from the WSC version, if anyone has a save in that with a two-handed weapon handy take a look and see.

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Re: To equip
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2008, 01:41:48 AM »
Considering it's fine in the Japanese version, I'm sure it's fine in Easy Type.

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Re: To equip
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2008, 01:43:36 AM »
Thanks for the offsets. I was going to look for those before I finished my hack, but hadn't gotten around to it yet. I had never noticed that the items were grayed out when you had a shield equipped. I think I ran into this message when I was playing around with the two-handed weapons, and I don't remember the weapon being grayed out, but I can't remember the circumstances. Any other times this message is displayed?

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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2008, 01:46:51 AM »
Considering it's fine in the Japanese version, I'm sure it's fine in Easy Type.

Well, the oversight carried over to FF2US v1.1, so go figure.

The message comes up for every 2-handed weapon, regardless of it being equipable.
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Re: To equip
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2008, 01:54:22 AM »
It's also displayed when you try to equip a shield with a two-handed weapon equipped. I'm currently using "Equip this using both hands" in my hack, but that doesn't work too good when you try to equip a shield. In fact, I can't think of anything that works well in both circumstances, and I've already hacked the window positioning to my liking (It is now all on one line) so I don't think I'll bother changing it.

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Re: To equip
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2008, 02:02:29 AM »
I can't recall if this affected a bow+arrow steup (or a partial one).
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Re: To equip
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2008, 02:07:30 AM »
It does, both a full setup and partial. It also doesn't care which hand you try to equip it in. Heh, the best approach might be FF4 Advance's, just blank out the text string and kill the window.

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Re: To equip
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2008, 02:36:22 AM »
Seems like a simple "Can't equip" would be good enough, although it wouldn't explain the reason why.

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Re: To equip
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2008, 02:37:44 AM »
"Your current equipment prevents you from equipping this item."

That'll never fit in the original space. :tongue:

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Re: To equip
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2008, 03:24:01 AM »
I'd say "Requires both hands available", but that would have to apply to the magazine too!  :laugh:

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Re: To equip
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2008, 03:50:59 AM »
That wouldn't be too bad, but it suffers from the same problem as the one I'm using, it doesn't make any sense for a shield that only needs one hand.

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Re: To equip
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2008, 04:00:02 AM »
That wouldn't be too bad, but it suffers from the same problem as the one I'm using, it doesn't make any sense for a shield that only needs one hand.

Eh?

I'm not quite following... what situation is this for?

Try "Weapon requires both hands (available/free)".
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Re: To equip
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2008, 04:04:19 AM »
If you have a two-handed weapon equipped and you try to equip a shield you'll get the same message you would if you tried to equip a two-handed weapon with a shield equipped. Anything that mentions needing both hands doesn't make sense if you're trying to equip a shield.

That said, I couldn't care less, the line I'm currently using is staying. :tongue:

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Re: To equip
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2008, 04:05:50 AM »
"Heavy weapon prevents equipping shield"
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