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Re: New FF4 Hack Announcement
« Reply #75 on: February 14, 2009, 09:59:29 PM »
Quote from: bond697 on February 14, 2009, 07:04:47 PM
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well, i did quite a bit of leveling.  rydia is at lv. 24, cecil is at 25, and ed is at 23.  i'm just about to kill the antlion. hopefully that was enough levels through fabul...

Edward finished Fabul below level 20 for me...

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btw, the edward fight is fucking cool.  :cycle:

I thought it was fun, and yet symbolic. Too bad Sing couldn't be used...

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wow, white arrows are HANDY on mt. hobs.  i usually never hang on to them, but i decided to try something different this time around.  certainly glad i did.  rosa just hit a skeleton for 1002 damage when aim-ing with one.

It was always that useful. Most people don't try this on Mt. Ordeals probably because it took space and costs $$$. Making the money for it is nothing...


Quote from: bond697 on February 14, 2009, 09:46:56 PM
i like the changes to mombomb, the battle is more challenging and fun like that.  i managed it on my first try.  actually, the grinding is a bit more enjoyable now, too, since the monsters sometimes drop actually useful things!

I hated FF4's regular drops... It wasn't very thoughtful.

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also, i got a few firetraps from some skeletons, and one of those really helped with making sure i got yang at full hp for the mombomb fight.  very cool.  :happy:

It would've been cheaper with a back row Kick. Then again, with the kind of stuff I changed, Kick is the most affected command... it makes regular battles in FF4 significantly easier... but that would probably fall on deaf ears...

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btw, did you do anything to edward's weapons? he seems to inflict charm/sleep constantly as opposed to on occasion.

No. FF2US's version of the weapon is the best of the versions and it was left unchanged. Status inflictions with both weapons are connected to Edward's Agility, so it's very successful by default. It's that people whine about how bad it was didn't understand how great it truly was....  :tongue:

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hmm, i think i know what the cursed shield does. it quarters race damage along with giving you the absorb property, right?

It doesn't quarter the damage.. racial protection affects a matching monster by reducing its attack power by 1/2. Unless you have a better idea of improving the protection (w/o turning it to an overpowered Hero's Shield), I'd be willing to listen.
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Re: New FF4 Hack Announcement
« Reply #76 on: February 14, 2009, 10:11:44 PM »
i like how the shield is now.  it'll be a nice piece of equipment later on, i think, when i can take good advantage of the absorb property and the penalty isn't as steep. 5 points now is a lot when stats are around 30 at max, versus at the end of the game when critical stats are near 99.

as for kick, to be honest, i never use it pretty much ever.  yang is strong and can hit lots of weaknesses, so i just go with his claws.
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Re: New FF4 Hack Announcement
« Reply #77 on: February 14, 2009, 10:19:25 PM »
I think you forgot about the shield bonus....  :tongue:
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Re: New FF4 Hack Announcement
« Reply #78 on: February 14, 2009, 10:33:19 PM »
shield bonus?  it's +5 to str and -5 to everything else.  i have one on cecil right now, but everyone else is fine without one.   

or am i forgetting about something?

ooooh, wait, now i know.  you mean the late-game shields and their bonuses to evasion, etc? right?

btw, it's not something i've ever thought about before, but now i am: is edward's harp a back row weapon? i've never stopped to consider it before, cause i never cared, but now that info will be mighty handy.

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Re: New FF4 Hack Announcement
« Reply #79 on: February 14, 2009, 10:52:56 PM »
Quote from: bond697 on February 14, 2009, 10:33:19 PM
shield bonus?  it's +5 to str and -5 to everything else.  i have one on cecil right now, but everyone else is fine without one.   

or am i forgetting about something?

ooooh, wait, now i know.  you mean the late-game shields and their bonuses to evasion, etc? right?

No... I meant the shield bonus.. the bonus to the defense multiplier.

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btw, it's not something i've ever thought about before, but now i am: is edward's harp a back row weapon? i've never stopped to consider it before, cause i never cared, but now that info will be mighty handy.

Yes in FF2US. No for every other version.
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Re: New FF4 Hack Announcement
« Reply #80 on: February 14, 2009, 10:56:16 PM »
yeah, that's what i meant by evasion, etc. i couldn't remember what to call it. def multiplier slipped my mind.   my bad on that one.

ah well, it was a good idea(to me!) at the time...

btw, the fabul battles are really, really cool. those battles were really unexpected and completely fucking awesome.  you definitely made the fabul siege pretty badass.

:edit:
now that fabul is over, i have 2 cursed shields.  i dunno who to give the other one to...  maybe i'll just hang on to it for cid..

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and thank you for the info about edward. :happy:  that was what i thought/was assuming when i went through the fabul siege.

also, i just noticed that porom comes with stone.  why is stone a white magic spell?  not that i mind at all, i think it's great!  i just thought it's odd to have an id spell in the white category.  although, rydia has magic fists...  and it's nice that porom has some good offense for the time being.  she's usually pretty worthless as soon as you get her.  although, once she learns cure2, she's much more worthwhile.  that and a bow, and she contributes a fair amount.  actually, in this case, i can give her a headband(instead of gaea) to get some more damage out of her...

:edit: 3
err... evil twin... hmm...  ok. here goes...  this ought to be interesting.

ooooohhh... they drop niiiice things.  also, though, she didn't really do very much during the battle.  evilporom casted mute on actual palom, cure3-ed herself twice, and didn't do much after that.  it was kinda disappointing.

actually, i may have spoken too soon. the tiara doesn't seem all that useful...

oh damn, i just ran into an evil pair!  they're a really good idea.
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Re: New FF4 Hack Announcement
« Reply #81 on: February 14, 2009, 11:33:01 PM »
Quote from: bond697 on February 14, 2009, 10:56:16 PM
also, i just noticed that porom comes with stone.  why is stone a white magic spell?  not that i mind at all, i think it's great!  i just thought it's odd to have an id spell in the white category.  although, rydia has magic fists...  and it's nice that porom has some good offense for the time being.  she's usually pretty worthless as soon as you get her.  although, once she learns cure2, she's much more worthwhile.  that and a bow, and she contributes a fair amount.  actually, in this case, i can give her a headband(instead of gaea) to get some more damage out of her...

This may have not occured to you, but what significance do you think Stone has?

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err... evil twin... hmm...  ok. here goes...  this ought to be interesting.

ooooohhh... they drop niiiice things.  also, though, he didn't really do very much during the battle.  evilpalom casted mute on actual palom, cure3-ed himself twice, and didn't do much after that.  it was kinda disappointing.

Admittedly, that wasn't the most inventive script. Ultimately it served as a testing ground. I also think you've got the twin scripts mixed up.
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Re: New FF4 Hack Announcement
« Reply #82 on: February 14, 2009, 11:35:07 PM »
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This may have not occured to you, but what significance do you think Stone has?

it didn't at the time.  thanks for the reminder. :)

and, as for the scripts, i had the right gender the first time.  i changed it because i thought i didn't.  i edited the post thinking i was wrong, but apparently i was right about which twin i saw.

:edit:

one of the evil twins just hit me with virus and it did 30 dmg on average.  can you bump their stats up a bit?  this would be super cool if they were tougher. burst just hit me for 31.  yeah, they definitely need a boost.

also, granted it's more of a girl thing, but why can't palom equip the tiara?  it boosts wisdom by 10, so he could use it.  unless, of course, that's exactly why he can't use it.    between it and the black robe, his wisdom goes up by, what, 15?  that's a lot for this part of the game.  plus, it gives a nice def. boost.  and he does have the wizard helm as an option, too, but then again so does porom.

i think i have the evil twins straightened out now.  evil palom has the orange cape, while evil porom has the green cape, right?

you know, i see that rune bracelets are the most common drop, and since these evil twins always drop, i'm just gonna farm 4 or 5 of them and some of the other gear before i move on.  no sense in moving on unprepared.  :happy:  also, while i'm on the subject, i've only ever run into evil palom solo, never evil porom.  i've seen them together a few times, but porom never shows up alone.  is that just a fluke?
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Re: New FF4 Hack Announcement
« Reply #83 on: February 15, 2009, 12:00:47 AM »
Quote from: bond697 on February 14, 2009, 11:35:07 PM
:edit:

one of the evil twins just hit me with virus and it did 30 dmg on average.  can you bump their stats up a bit?  this would be super cool if they were tougher. burst just hit me for 31.  yeah, they definitely need a boost.

I'll have to rethink it. It was to factor in the slight chance in lower levels and solo Cecil.

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also, granted it's more of a girl thing, but why can't palom equip the tiara?  it boosts wisdom by 10, so he could use it.  unless, of course, that's exactly why he can't use it.    between it and the black robe, his wisdom goes up by, what, 15?  that's a lot for this part of the game.  plus, it gives a nice def. boost.  and he does have the wizard helm as an option, too, but then again so does porom.
* Deathlike2 wants to know how a boy wants to start wearing a Tiara...

The Tiara serves a much different purpose. You also have a choice between the Gaea Hat and the Wizard Hat... so don't complain about the benefits. The Wizard Hat is more than just a Will Power booster.

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i think i have the evil twins straightened out now.  evil palom has the orange cape, while evil porom has the green cape, right?

I never really bothered to notice their capes. Palom has a more reddish hue on the face.
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Re: New FF4 Hack Announcement
« Reply #84 on: February 15, 2009, 12:03:18 AM »
also, while i'm on the subject, i've only ever run into evil palom solo, never evil porom.  i've seen them together a few times, but porom never shows up alone.  is that just a fluke?

nevermind, after like 20 encounters porom showed up alone.  took awhile, but it finally happened.

also, i'm not complaining, i'm just wondering.  right now, my palom has gaea/black/rune, and porom has wizard/wizard/rune.

what are the other wizard helm advantages?  i didn't see anything except dmg/4 from undead? is that what you're referring to?
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Re: New FF4 Hack Announcement
« Reply #85 on: February 15, 2009, 12:10:12 AM »
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also, while i'm on the subject, i've only ever run into evil palom solo, never evil porom.  i've seen them together a few times, but porom never shows up alone.  is that just a fluke?

Fluke. If the monster distribution info is correct, there should be pretty equal probability.

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what are the other wizard helm advantages?  i didn't see anything except dmg/4 from undead? is that what you're referring to?

It's not damage/4... it is undead monster's attack power/2. It's a significant difference.
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Re: New FF4 Hack Announcement
« Reply #86 on: February 15, 2009, 12:15:27 AM »
hmm... so the editor has it wrong then?  i'm just reciting what i read in zyr's new(er) editor.  i'm not insinuating you're wrong, god knows i trust you over the editor, but how much is the difference between the 2?  attack power over 2 means the attack still needs to be multiplied out, so it won't necessarily be 1/2 of the normal damage, right?  whereas dam/4 is just that?
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Re: New FF4 Hack Announcement
« Reply #87 on: February 15, 2009, 12:28:38 AM »
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hmm... so the editor has it wrong then?  i'm just reciting what i read in zyr's new(er) editor.  i'm not insinuating you're wrong, god knows i trust you over the editor, but how much is the difference between the 2?  attack power over 2 means the attack still needs to be multiplied out, so it won't necessarily be 1/2 of the normal damage, right?  whereas dam/4 is just that?

If you don't believe it, here's a simple test. Put a character under Mini/Toad status in the front row vs a monster of a racial type. See how much damage they do... it's technically raw damage (0 defense) * 2 since the monster's attack power is doubled when targeting a character with either status. Then, equip the character with a racial protection piece of equipment. It happens that this consequently decreases the attack power of the monster... to the point that it negates the monster's attack power boost due to the character's Mini/Toad.

A monster that has a potential max of 127 is not as threatening as a monster that has 255 attack power.... even if the multiplier for the monster with the 127 attack power has double the attack multiplier than the monster that has 255 attack power.
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« Reply #88 on: February 15, 2009, 12:50:39 AM »
no, i believe it.  like, i said, i trust you over the editor. i was just wondering about the difference between the 2.  how much it actually is.  now i see what you're talking about and you gave me a good example to test.  at this point, i'd trust you over any of the editors. 

this is me right now, by the way:



i'm on mt. ordeals and (obviously) not yet a paladin.

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tella just joined at lv. 34!  pretty cool.

err... i just ran into a group of 2 souls, 2 zombies, and 2 revenants.  a little bit into it, a message came up from an officer to attack.  is that on purpose, like the souls are ordering the zombies, et al?  cause if it is, that's really fucking cool.
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Re: New FF4 Hack Announcement
« Reply #89 on: February 15, 2009, 01:43:53 AM »
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this is me right now, by the way:



i'm on mt. ordeals and (obviously) not yet a paladin.

:edit:
tella just joined at lv. 34!  pretty cool.

I have a level 30 Palom and Porom for testing on Baigan...

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err... i just ran into a group of 2 souls, 2 zombies, and 2 revenants.  a little bit into it, a message came up from an officer to attack.  is that on purpose, like the souls are ordering the zombies, et al?  cause if it is, that's really fucking cool.

It's intentional. I'm using existing scripts and it's supposed to be a small joke (the undead repeat the actions of the previous life). It doesn't have much impact though in like 2 formations.
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