Topic: Unprecedented Crisis now on RHDN

[Pinkpuff]

Edward has exactly one song that cares about any of his stats and that's Magic Song which is based on will.

You could go for an all out Agi super speed Edge and see how many turns he gets to Cid's 1.

I believe Lancet can crit. Grimiore?

[Grimoire LD]

Edward has exactly one song that cares about any of his stats and that's Magic Song which is based on will.

You could go for an all out Agi super speed Edge and see how many turns he gets to Cid's 1.

I believe Lancet can crit. Grimiore?

Lancet has no reason it can't crit, but I should note that it's not a straight 1/2 damage slice either. It slices his normal attack power while leaving his multipliers alone. So if he had  120 Attack * 10 Multiplier it would become 60 * 10, early in game there may not even be that much of a difference if his attack is low enough.

Also this is available for download already...?

Oh geez! It was there all along. I'll get right to it.

[Lumiere77]

I just finished Troia and the Elban line worked perfectly. Cid's dash is pretty good compared to his regular attack however the drop to 1 hp may be a little steep. I'll be using Cid & Edge on the moon so I may revise my statement depending on how it scales later on. Also the early bosses could use some buffs(Octo & Mombomb especially) because they fall so quickly and deal little damage overall.

[Grimoire LD]

Looks like in this version you start with a pretty stacked inventory! An interesting choice.

Uh... two Angel Feathers from the first FloatEyes I fight on the field.

...And they sell for 2500 GP a piece. I cannot imagine that was intended. Likely a carryover from changing the Item Tables of Underground foes which share the same table as the FloatEyes.

I see you added the Bestiary! This is actually important since the spell Scan/Peep/Libra is nowhere present in this.

Made it to the new Training Room, let's see here...

Chakra now heals half of Yang's current HP? That is very powerful indeed!

Twincast now damages depending on the HP of the caster? While it would keep it's damage increasing as the game goes on, it will very quickly lose out to Palom's Black Magic.

Nice tip with the Wooden Staff!

Bonk's explanation is rather cute.

"damage yourself in the process!" seems a bit of an understatement for Dash, heh.

Aww, I love my avatar! I especially like that he's given a hint in which I believe I was the first to really take into account. Fantastic work.

Haha! I like the Black Mage calling out cheaters (I mean really, why cheat in a mod? That sort of defeats the purpose.)

No idea that Awake also cured Berserk, that is good to know.

I am curious to see the trap mentioned for those who skip plot scenes (I imagine the Mist Skip is being referred to here) but I'll pass for now.

Haha! That man upselling Shurikens speaks the truth!

Love the hint on Bestiary, the original FFIV could have used a hint like that saying that it works against bosses.

That hint about the Megalixir... I wonder what it could be referring to. I still have never found it!

The Angel Wings are fantastically explained by Chillyfeez's avatar.

All in all I love the new Training Room!

Bah, I had hoped I'd have more time, but these things happen. Sorry PinkPuff I'll be back on Friday though and then I should be able to give a more detailed analysis of the new version...

But yes, those FloatEyes need looked at ASAP.

[Lumiere77]

Just got the twins in the underworld and it's nice that most encounters are giving at least 1000 exp so there's no rush to enter the Ice cave to level up. Big Problem:Angel Wings are not for sale in Tomra which means you have to get them from flying monsters. Are there any other HP Apples in the game or did you only place these four? I did a quick glance in Bahamut's Lagoon and the reduced amount of damage tiles along the treasure route will help preserve resources and cut down on the complaints.

[Pinkpuff]

Just got the twins in the underworld and it's nice that most encounters are giving at least 1000 exp so there's no rush to enter the Ice cave to level up. Big Problem:Angel Wings are not for sale in Tomra which means you have to get them from flying monsters.

Thanks for pointing this out! Turns out my config file had the shop mislabeled!! It should be fixed now.

Are there any other HP Apples in the game or did you only place these four?

Only those four. No need to go overboard. Just need to make the party (particularly the twins) a little less squishy to assist with levelling naturally.

I did a quick glance in Bahamut's Lagoon and the reduced amount of damage tiles along the treasure route will help preserve resources and cut down on the complaints.

 

Looks like in this version you start with a pretty stacked inventory! An interesting choice.

Once again I took a page from FFTactics' book and started the player with one of each standard recovery item. I didn't give a tent and a cabin because I figured the Red Wings probably weren't expecting an overnight expedition; they can just sleep in the airships.

Uh... two Angel Feathers from the first FloatEyes I fight on the field.

...And they sell for 2500 GP a piece. I cannot imagine that was intended. Likely a carryover from changing the Item Tables of Underground foes which share the same table as the FloatEyes.

Well, it was semi-intended. I do have angel feathers on other enemies. However, I have now changed the FloatEyes to have the drop table that has it as the uncommon drop instead of every drop.

I see you added the Bestiary! This is actually important since the spell Scan/Peep/Libra is nowhere present in this.

The lack of a scan effect was brought to my attention by an IRL friend of mine who isn't quite as familiar with FF4 as we are and it occurred to me that of course other people will need access to this kind of effect, especially if I'm adding new monsters... like bosses...

Twincast now damages depending on the HP of the caster? While it would keep it's damage increasing as the game goes on, it will very quickly lose out to Palom's Black Magic.

In terms of damage, undeniably. However, in terms of the ratio of damage:time:MP, Twin just keeps getting better. HP-Apples should help a lot with that too. ^_^

Nice tip with the Wooden Staff!

I've seen people going into the Scarmiglione fight going "Oh I need tons of remedys" and that's certainly viable if you want Rydia to, you know, Ifrit or Help!, but it's good to know your options.

Aww, I love my avatar! I especially like that he's given a hint in which I believe I was the first to really take into account. Fantastic work.

Thanks! Glad you approve!

Haha! I like the Black Mage calling out cheaters (I mean really, why cheat in a mod? That sort of defeats the purpose.)

If I could, I would just fix the bug, but short of that, I would love to at least have a way to detect if someone duplicated an item and then punish them for it via the game. Like some kind of end-battle check to see if you have something in hand in multiples that isn't an arrow.

No idea that Awake also cured Berserk, that is good to know.

Berserk, charm, stun, sleep. Haven't tried it with the Avenger but I doubt it will accomplish anything.

I am curious to see the trap mentioned for those who skip plot scenes (I imagine the Mist Skip is being referred to here) but I'll pass for now.

I witnessed someone do this in my hack to skip mist and get access to the Mist item store before progressing the plot. If you're able to do that trick, you should save outside mist and just try it to see. Skip Mist and then go to either Mist via its back door, Misty Mountains via Mist's back door, or Kaipo. You'll want to reload your save after though!

That hint about the Megalixir... I wonder what it could be referring to. I still have never found it!

I'll change my tagline once someone does find one. Using FF4kster to find it is cheating and doesn't count. Neither does glitching out the game, like the person that accidentally got them via Fat Chocobo.

Incidentally, there are other rare things to find in this game too, including a cursed ring and a hero ring.

All in all I love the new Training Room!

Glad to hear it! Hopefully people think to go in there...

Bah, I had hoped I'd have more time, but these things happen. Sorry PinkPuff I'll be back on Friday though and then I should be able to give a more detailed analysis of the new version...

Well now there's a newer version. The good news is it adds a way cool thing which I had been hoping to accomplish a long time ago but only now have actually gotten working (I hope). The bad news is, it messes with overworld treasures and so if you want to try it out, your current save will not be able to carry over effectively. From what it sounds like, Grimoire won't have lost much progress to speak of, but Lumiere will. Sorry about that.

Re-download if you wish to try it out:
http://timecave.net/ff4kster/crisis/crisis.ips

[Lumiere77]

I decided to try the new patch and I just got to Tellah. Enemies seem to drop items more often but, I could be having better luck than normal. Also I loaded my old save to see if Tomra was fixed and... it wasn't. Before continuing on my new file, I'll make some more observations on the underworld

The HP apples give the twins enough hp to survive most battles while leveling up and the boost to "Twin" is much appreciated. Though I think it could get pretty abusive when paired with the DK's Dark(Deathbringer) especially with it's low delay. The Feymarch's shortcuts were a good compromise, a quick route to town while avoiding most of the chests and with the addition of angel wings the damage tiles & quake spamming enemies are no longer a major threat. Also "Dash" worked well in the tower of babil especially once I was able to buy Hi Potions to bring Cid back from the brink(1000+ dmg vs most foes except Rubricante:~400 dmg).

[Pinkpuff]

Really? It's still not in the shop? Huh. I traced it back starting with the NPC that was in that map through the event it called through the shop launched by the event. Maybe I forgot to save that particular change? I was certain I did but it will have to wait until I get home before I can check.

I don't see how HP-Apples would affect Dark Wave. Or is that not what you meant?

[Lumiere77]

With the addition of 200 HP per twin(2 apples each), around lv30 they're doing 1000+ dmg per twin and while that's low compared to stuff like Quake, with the right equipment setup Palom's as fast or faster than Edge at times resulting in big damage during random battles for little mp. Ignore my remark about Dark Wave, I forgot that by the time you get Deathbringer most enemies have several thousand hp meaning "twin" + "dark" isn't enough damage.

The Ice Cave seems to have new enemies and the fact that they give better exp than the world map is good. I liked that status effects were used instead of just boosting damage. The Vamplady + Bat encounter dealt less damage with RedFeast but, it's difficult enough if you don't drop the bats quickly enough. The float effect persists after death?, I guess I forgot about that. The Frost Dragon now looks like it's alive unlike the original which made it look like a ghost.

Edit:Just finished Baron again and I noticed that the Mage rooms in the castle were gone. I checked my previous versions and both of your new patches remove the rooms so I'm guessing I have a couple new places to investigate later... Also the elemental items i.e. Firebomb, Ice-Ball, & Lit-Bolt don't run off wis or wil correct?

[Pinkpuff]

If you re-download the patch, Tomra's store should be fixed now. Not sure what happened earlier, I must have made the change and neglected/forgot to save it. Anyway, it worked when I tested it just now.

With the addition of 200 HP per twin(2 apples each), around lv30 they're doing 1000+ dmg per twin and while that's low compared to stuff like Quake, with the right equipment setup Palom's as fast or faster than Edge at times resulting in big damage during random battles for little mp. Ignore my remark about Dark Wave, I forgot that by the time you get Deathbringer most enemies have several thousand hp meaning "twin" + "dark" isn't enough damage.

I see what you mean now. Incidentally, if you're going for maximum Twin damage, feed all the apples to one twin and put that twin in the center position.

The Ice Cave seems to have new enemies and the fact that they give better exp than the world map is good. I liked that status effects were used instead of just boosting damage. The Vamplady + Bat encounter dealt less damage with RedFeast but, it's difficult enough if you don't drop the bats quickly enough. The float effect persists after death?, I guess I forgot about that. The Frost Dragon now looks like it's alive unlike the original which made it look like a ghost.

IIRC, float persists on a raised character if they are raised during battle, but not in the regular menu.

Edit:Just finished Baron again and I noticed that the Mage rooms in the castle were gone. I checked my previous versions and both of your new patches remove the rooms so I'm guessing I have a couple new places to investigate later... Also the elemental items i.e. Firebomb, Ice-Ball, & Lit-Bolt don't run off wis or wil correct?

There is a sort of new place. You'll see what I mean when you get there. I could have used another map, but I also wanted to remove the Baron wizard schools mainly for flavor reasons. Baron is a place for knight/fighter types more so than mages. Even Rosa in this is an Archer first and Time Mage second.

The "bomb" items you mention indeed do not care about your magic stats, just your HP and the monsters' weaknesses. In that sense, they're actually more efficient when used by tank characters than squishy ones. But that's ok because usually the squishy characters have more effective ways of dealing magic damage and/or more interesting and useful things to do with their turns anyways.

[Lumiere77]

I just got past the mountains and I liked what you did with the mist cave, it certainly fits considering Rydia's mother probably killed most of the "new" monsters before they even got to Mist much less the cave. The new treasures were a little odd considering they're in the same place which makes you think somebody came in and refilled the chests but, I did like the touch with the Battle Axe because I know Grimoire said that he missed Mythril and that's where the Battle Axe & Viking Helm are sold.

I found a glitch concerning the dancer hall in Troia, when you try to enter the dressing room you are teleported to the top left of baron behind Cid's house & the trees with no way out. I always though the Cid's backyard was useless(there are treasures there in vanilla!) considering you can't get there.

[Pinkpuff]

Yeah, the thing with the chests is a little odd, but I think it's a fair compromise. What I'd love to have it do ideally is something like the Figaro Cave in FF6 where whatever chests you got the first time stay open but if you wait and open them later you get the better item. However, I don't think that's in the cards; certainly not for this version.

Thanks for reminding me about the dancers' stage. I needed to hijack another overworld trigger and meant to go back and seal that place off but I forgot.

[Lumiere77]

No problem about the dancer's stage, also I found a chocobo forest east of Troia on an island that is completely useless(good place for an optional dungeon on later versions!). I like how Yang is the one who informs the party about Elban considering he's the one who leads Elban's troops when you infiltrate Babil.

The chests in the mist cave worked out and I like your idea about "evolving" chests but, what you have works. You could probably do the same thing with the 2 chests in Bahamut's lagoon(the house) if people still complain about Rosa's lack of equipment however if the boss drops a piece of her gear I don't think you'll need it.

[Grimoire LD]

Hmm... to get this new treasure you were talking about a started a new game and everything was going fine... until I tried to leave the first room you have control of Cecil in. Going to leave the room to the main lobby sent him to the top corner of Town of Baron and going up lead him to the moat. At first I thought I may have made my Rom unclean somehow, but I tested it again with a fully clean rom, just unheadered and it happened again. Any thoughts on what might be causing this?

[Pinkpuff]

No clue. I'm on my way home so I should be able to double check soon.