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Command Behavior
« on: November 22, 2012, 03:55:46 PM »
There are many posts on this site where references are made to the functioning of commands (like, how to change the spell cast by Pray or Gird, which item is consumed by Medicine, etc.).  Has anyone ever compiled a comprehensive document showing exactly which sections of the code correspond to which commands?  (Something like, "01E890 through 01E8FF is the code for Recall.")  I can't find this anywhere despite a lot of searching.  Just curious.

I'm trying to make a Pressure command for the next release of my Golbez hack.  I downloaded Minitrue's summon command hack because that allowed me to find which sections of the ROM to change to turn the dummied Command 15 into something useful.  But, I'm having diffculty figuring this all out, and documentation like what I described above would probably be really helpful.
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Re: Command Behavior
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2012, 03:35:00 PM »
I've never looked for that particular information, but if I was looking for it I would check:
  • The Final Fantasy 4 Reference Book (http://rb.thundaga.com/) This is a single site that contains a lot of compiled data location documents.  In the past I've found JCE300GT's document and the Tower of Bab-il Docs helpful (all found on that site)
  • Troll around this forum for things posted by Phoenix
  • It can be a little hard to find, but Yousei's FFIV hacking document contains a lot of data locations. I came upon it by accident, attached to a ZIP file containing his overworld map editor from romhacking.net (http://www.romhacking.net/utilities/191/)
Bear in mind that Yousei and Phoenix are/were oldschool rom hacking geniuses, and sometimes what they write seems to be in a different language if you, like me, come from little or no actual programming background. It may take some time to read through and actually understand what they've written.

Also, if you want to simplify the process, Pinkpuff has developed (is developing? ...it may still technically be a work in progress) an editor that enables you to change the spell behavior of commands. you can find it on this forum, here: http://slickproductions.org/forum/index.php?topic=1713.msg17092#msg17092
Hope this helps!
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Re: Command Behavior
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2012, 05:57:28 PM »
I'm no good at what you're looking for. I'm better at finding/feeling the nuances of the details, but Phoenix would be good at this.

If anything, there's still stuff that I'd like to know, like how Steal/Sneak functions in detail.

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Sorry that I cannot be more helpful.
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Re: Command Behavior
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2012, 08:42:13 PM »
Hey guys, thank you for your replies.  I think the Pressure command will have to wait until version 1.3, it's just too far out of my comprehension zone at this point.

chillyfeez:  You can bet that I am frequent visitor to the resources that you mentioned.  I also never would have gotten as far as I have without FFIVTools, FF2us Multi Editor, and SMC Hack.  I really can't thank the designers of these tools enough, not only for what they actually do, but also for what they taught me about hacking, how to figure out what is what in the ROM, etc.

Anyway, version 1.2 of the Golbez hack comes out tomorrow.  If anybody tries it and has feedback, I'm all ears.  Would love to hear input from some hardcore, oldschool FFIV freaks.
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Re: Command Behavior
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2012, 10:24:33 AM »
Quote from: fedorajoe on November 30, 2012, 08:42:13 PM
chillyfeez:  You can bet that I am frequent visitor to the resources that you mentioned.  I also never would have gotten as far as I have without FFIVTools, FF2us Multi Editor, and SMC Hack.  I really can't thank the designers of these tools enough, not only for what they actually do, but also for what they taught me about hacking, how to figure out what is what in the ROM, etc.
Agree on all of the above. Are you gonna post the new version on the blog linked beneath your messages? Can't promise I'll play through the entire thing right away, but I will get it and eventually play it.
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Re: Command Behavior
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2012, 07:54:16 AM »
Quote from: chillyfeez on November 28, 2012, 03:35:00 PM
Also, if you want to simplify the process, Pinkpuff has developed (is developing? ...it may still technically be a work in progress) an editor that enables you to change the spell behavior of commands. you can find it on this forum, here: http://slickproductions.org/forum/index.php?topic=1713.msg17092#msg17092

Yeah I'm still technically working on it, I've gotten distracted lately with other things but I promise I will come back to work on it soon!
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Re: Command Behavior
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2012, 06:54:12 PM »
chillyfeez:  Yep, I post any updates on the hack to my blog.  Or, if you're looking for the basic 411 on the hack, I'd start with the readme file:

http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/snes/patches/850readme.txt

Pinkpuff:  Definitely looking forward to that.  I'm hoping you'll keep this board up to date with your progress!
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Re: Command Behavior
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2012, 05:50:33 AM »
A sort of stop-gap solution, depending on how attached you are to Edward's Sing, would be to turn that into "Pressure" by changing all its spells to hold or stop or whatever...
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