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FF4 - Kain is Stronger Than Cecil... Most of the Time
« on: September 26, 2008, 07:25:44 PM »
The whole premise is really simple. Jump makes Kain that much more powerful than Cecil.

It has been been argued before that Jump takes a lot of time. It's true, to an extent.

There are many factors that assist Jump to the point where Kain isn't being missed too much.. at worst, he's "realigning" himself with the rest of group a tad late.

1) Kain's Agility (which Jump also relies on) is naturally higher than Cecil.

2) Kain's other offensive stats are also ahead of Cecil (and advances quicker than Cecil's Agility late game, post level 70)

3) Even at optimized Agility (99, via a Crystal Ring, having 96 Agility naturally), he's still fast enough to catch up back to his own turn (although, that's not a given, but it can happen at faster battle speeds)...

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Re: FF4 - Kain is Stronger Than Cecil... Most of the Time
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2008, 07:40:16 PM »
Yeah, I already did my own test a few minutes ago:

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Yeah, I'm going to have to admit defeat for the SNES versions. I just loaded up an Easy Type save with the party averaging level 50 and Kain is coming down just after Cecil's second command input but before his actual attack. I had the Avenger on him for my past few SNES playthroughs so I forgot how much faster jump was in these versions--what I said still applies to the GBA version though.

Actually, I lied, that party averages level 49, Cecil and Kain are both level 50 though.

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Re: FF4 - Kain is Stronger Than Cecil... Most of the Time
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2008, 07:44:56 PM »
I wonder if the delay in Jump was actually changed... (not talking about the screwy ATB FF4A has in general)

My FF4A save has Cecil at 86 Agility, and it's not that far off (Kain has 99). I still find him faster than Cecil when, but not to the same extent... it could be to balance out Double Jump (since the command probably shares the delay).
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Re: FF4 - Kain is Stronger Than Cecil... Most of the Time
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2008, 10:40:04 PM »
Who actually levels their characters beyond level 70? I can get though the entire game without ever needing or accidentally getting past about 65 average. (If my memory serves me correct.)

That includes indulging the side quests I know of.

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Re: FF4 - Kain is Stronger Than Cecil... Most of the Time
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2008, 07:08:04 AM »
well oddy :D a lot of people do just for shits and giggles and as we see hacking!