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Re: Developing a comprehensive editor for FF4
« Reply #360 on: June 20, 2013, 11:29:21 PM »
Quote from: Lenophis on June 20, 2013, 10:38:07 PM
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Re: Developing a comprehensive editor for FF4
« Reply #361 on: June 25, 2013, 12:55:44 PM »
Things are going swimmingly for me. Glad to hear you have everything working properly now PinkPuff!
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Re: Developing a comprehensive editor for FF4
« Reply #362 on: June 27, 2013, 09:22:58 PM »
Quote from: Pinkpuff on June 20, 2013, 01:30:57 PM
Hi folks, I know it's taking a long time but I am still working on this. Everything is displaying correctly as far as I can tell, and I'm working on the editing part. I messed up something logistically with the AI editor component so I need to rethink the structure of it, so it still may be a while before the next release.

Anyway, just thought I'd check in and reassure everyone that I'm still alive ^_^
Thanks for the status update. I'm really stoked for the monster editor and once it's ready for release I'll probably start working on this game again.
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Re: Developing a comprehensive editor for FF4
« Reply #363 on: June 28, 2013, 06:19:53 AM »
That's exciting!

Right now the condition set editor (allows you to edit what conditions are in each condition set) is giving me a headache. I understand the structure but it's just one of those things that happens sometimes where you're reading the code and going "this should be doing X" and can't see any possible way it couldn't be doing it, yet it isn't. Once I get past that, the rest of the editors should be very straightforward to code, and then it's just a question of the saving routines and how much trouble those give me, but often the problems with saving don't become very pronounced until after I release it and people start reporting issues.
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Re: Developing a comprehensive editor for FF4
« Reply #364 on: June 28, 2013, 10:59:32 AM »
I've had (probably) similar problems trying to edit conditions:
I wanted to make a monster that reacts in a particular way to being attacked by Edge's Dart command, but it wasn't working.
Likewise, I wanted a particular reaction to a character using the Item command with a particular element (say, a specific reaction to lit-bolt) but it seems the game treats elemental attack items as spells in that respect, so the condition has to be an elemental spell in order for an elemental item to trigger a reaction.
Other custom conditions (that I can't remember at the moment) didn't work either.
I was kind of hoping that once the monster editor was released, you would have figured out whatever it was I was missing.
Maybe the game isn't really capable of observing all of the conditions the human mind can conceive?
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Re: Developing a comprehensive editor for FF4
« Reply #365 on: June 28, 2013, 12:41:18 PM »
The problem is definitely with my own code. It's currently only dealing with the in-memory abstractions that it creates when reading the rom, it hasn't even been writing anything monster-related to the rom.

Thanks for bringing that to my attention though, I'll be on the lookout for it when I get to the saving part.
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Re: Developing a comprehensive editor for FF4
« Reply #366 on: June 29, 2013, 08:13:44 AM »
Hmm, Chillyfeez may have an unfortunately correct thought. FFIV's AI Routines seem very limited compared to FFV and VI, As I recall the only thing special about the Crystal item to start the Zeromus fight is that it is Dark Elemental, not that it is a specific item or anything of the sort, that does not speak very highly of the AI's coding structure to me.
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Re: Developing a comprehensive editor for FF4
« Reply #367 on: June 29, 2013, 09:01:51 AM »
Does that mean that, in theory, the Zeromus fight could be started by an attack with a Dk Knight sword? Well, from a plot perspective, that contradicts the whole reason Cecil becomes a paladin. How delightfully stupid!
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Re: Developing a comprehensive editor for FF4
« Reply #368 on: June 29, 2013, 04:35:03 PM »
Plot perspective it is absolute nonsense, yes. From a programming perspective... it is still rather silly. I mean they could have (I believe anyhow) used the Immune elemental byte as something special and unique to give to the Crystal and have a special exception to have Zeromus react to it.
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Re: Developing a comprehensive editor for FF4
« Reply #369 on: June 29, 2013, 05:02:10 PM »
The Zeromus transformation is triggered by a dark elemental spell from Paladin Cecil specifically.
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Re: Developing a comprehensive editor for FF4
« Reply #370 on: July 01, 2013, 04:27:40 PM »
That makes more sense. That's actually kind of neat in some ways. So a Dark Elemental Weapon wouldn't do it, only a Dark Elemental Spell? That was kind of my worry with letting Paladin Cecil use Dark Swords, glad to see that it wasn't a worry after all.
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Re: Developing a comprehensive editor for FF4
« Reply #371 on: July 02, 2013, 06:14:02 AM »
Finally smashed that bug after  :banonsmash:

It was a stupid off-by-one error...  :lame:

Anyway, back to plowing ahead!
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Re: Developing a comprehensive editor for FF4
« Reply #372 on: July 03, 2013, 07:02:44 PM »
Wonderful to hear you got it fixed! I am looking forward to the next update.
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Re: Developing a comprehensive editor for FF4
« Reply #373 on: July 31, 2013, 04:22:03 PM »
Hello, Pinkpuff. :happy: I had a question for you: will the editor ever support editing of the final scroll of the Mysidian legend? The full one that scrolls past the shot of space.
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Re: Developing a comprehensive editor for FF4
« Reply #374 on: July 31, 2013, 04:43:41 PM »
Quote from: vivify93 on July 31, 2013, 04:22:03 PM
... will the editor ever support editing of the final scroll of the Mysidian legend? The full one that scrolls past the shot of space.

I'm thinking that that is a visual effect and not an actual display of text. I'm not home so I can't do the necessary research to back that up, but a) I don't recall ever seeing the full legend in any known dialogue banks, and b) if I remember correctly, it's presented in a different font than everything else that's written in the game (of which I'm less sure because it's been that long since I've watched the ending). If nobody who actually KNOWS replies before I get home this evening, I'll look more into it.
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