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Library of the Ancients => Final Fantasy IV Research & Development => Topic started by: Phoenix on May 16, 2008, 06:28:53 PM
Title: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Phoenix on May 16, 2008, 06:28:53 PM
I never really considered replacing the font in FF4 for my hack, but recently staring at the text so much is making me want to change it. Does anyone have any favorite SNES fonts or other font recommendations?
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Deathlike2 on May 16, 2008, 06:32:06 PM
It beats me, I could care less to be honest. It probably shouldn't be a VWF though, unless you have bigger ideas with this.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Phoenix on May 16, 2008, 06:45:54 PM
A variable-width, or proportional, font is beyond what I want to do. Just a simple replacement if I find one I like.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: koala_knight on May 16, 2008, 09:40:09 PM
Try this site: http://www.thealmightyguru.com/GameFonts/Index.html (http://www.thealmightyguru.com/GameFonts/Index.html)
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on May 17, 2008, 05:36:51 AM
You said FF4, is this for J2e's translation? I don't really have any large font replacements except for a not-very-good-looking conversion of the FF Advance dialogue font, but I've got loads of 8x8's I can upload for you if you want to take a look at them, just got to get them off the old computer.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Phoenix on May 17, 2008, 07:54:25 AM
Quote from: koala_knight
Try this site: http://www.thealmightyguru.com/GameFonts/Index.html
Thanks, I'll take a look.
Quote from: Dragonsbrethren
You said FF4, is this for J2e's translation?
Sorry, I meant FF2us. I'd love to take a look at your 8x8 letter fonts if you have them readily available.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on May 18, 2008, 04:46:10 AM
Alright, I'll get them for you the next time I get stuff off the other computer.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on May 21, 2008, 05:39:07 PM
I know I have more than these around here somewhere, just can't find them. Anyway, 8x8 and fonts 1-3 are from archives I found on ZD, there's some pretty good stuff in them. Pandora 1-8 are the eight fonts we're currently using with PB's font swapper (Might be some WIP custom icons in them too, feel free to use any of the icons), and Easy Type is the font from my FF4 Easy Type translation.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Phoenix on May 21, 2008, 08:21:18 PM
That's great, thanks! Much appreciated! :happy:
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Paladin on June 05, 2008, 01:01:07 PM
I have done font tilesets for FF4 that resemble the fonts S-E is using in it's GBA FF remakes. I've got the standard 8x8 set (that would work in FF-II) and I also figured out a version of it for the 8x12 font in the J2e patch. It's a little fancy though...if that works for you... Sometimes I actually prefer the san-serif font used in FF-II...
Anyway, I could supply bitmaps of the mods from TileLayerPro if you like...or I may just do it anyway and provide links sometime tomorrow...as long as I remember to do it.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 05, 2008, 01:06:18 PM
Sometimes I actually prefer the san-serif font used in FF-II...
Nothing wrong with that, it's the nicest "simple" font ever made, only font I used in my hacks for years.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Phoenix on June 05, 2008, 05:29:50 PM
I went through all of the fonts Dragonsbrethren gave me, and settled on one from the Pandora set. After I inserted it, I noticed it looked uncannily similar to the font already present in FF2/4. I checked it and it turns out it's just the same font with shadowing. :happy: It looked best to me, and I still think it looks better than the original, so I'm sticking with it. I'd like to take a look at yours too, Paladin, if you'll post it.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Paladin on June 10, 2008, 11:09:00 PM
Here's a preview of the font block, ugly default TLP colors...I couldn't find a decent palette file...
Here are screenshots of the font running: http://www.finalfantasyiv.net/host-files/font-example-01.gif (http://www.finalfantasyiv.net/host-files/font-example-01.gif) http://www.finalfantasyiv.net/host-files/font-example-02.gif (http://www.finalfantasyiv.net/host-files/font-example-02.gif) http://www.finalfantasyiv.net/host-files/font-example-03.gif (http://www.finalfantasyiv.net/host-files/font-example-03.gif) http://www.finalfantasyiv.net/host-files/font-example-04.gif (http://www.finalfantasyiv.net/host-files/font-example-04.gif)
Here's the (untouched) bitmap as dumped out of TLP, should be able to import it into a J2e patched rom, or edit to dump into FF-II: http://www.finalfantasyiv.net/host-files/font-tileset-ffa-j2e.bmp (http://www.finalfantasyiv.net/host-files/font-tileset-ffa-j2e.bmp)
I'm sure other people have done the "Square-Enix Fantasy Advance" font already. However the bitch with using it in the J2e patch using their 12x8 font hack is converting the optimizations they did for the "Times New Roman" style serif font they chose and get it to resemble this font. It's not a 1:1 copy but it looks O.K.
I can live with FF-II's san-serif font, as I said. However I really don't care for the default J2e font, so I typically use this gfx hack.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 11, 2008, 12:33:05 AM
Did you hack the DTE table or force that font into theirs? It's much easier when you hack the table, I got every letter to fit except for the ones that were too wide. Switched my hack over to FF2us 1.1 so I have no plans to actually use that font anymore though.
Also, shadowing a font with gray like that causes it to bleed together on an actual TV, your letters will probably look a little distorted (I actually had a hard time playing RPGe's FF5 translation on my SNES for this reason, and had to hack the font to remove the shadow). It probably won't be so bad with that font, but when you've got bold letters with shadow that fills pretty much all of the space between them, it all just bleeds into a barely-readable blob.
Edit: Damn you dyslexia! :angry:
And since I'm editing this, I forgot to mention that your hack looks great so far. :happy:
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Paladin on June 11, 2008, 09:08:00 AM
Did you hack the DTE table or force that font into theirs? It's much easier when you hack the table, I got every letter to fit except for the ones that were too wide. Switched my hack over to FF2us 1.1 so I have no plans to actually use that font anymore though.
Nah...I'm not that cool...lol. I just forced it in using J2e's DTE...you know if you don't have a hammer use a rock (instead of walking back to the house to get one). However modding the DTE sounds like the right way to do it, meaning I should probably go learn how to do it right.
Also, shadowing a font with gray like that causes it to bleed together on an actual TV, your letters will probably look a little distorted (I actually had a hard time playing RPGe's FF5 translation on my SNES for this reason, and had to hack the font to remove the shadow). It probably won't be so bad with that font, but when you've got bold letters with shadow that fills pretty much all of the space between them, it all just bleeds into a barely-readable blob.
You're absolutely right. I have no trouble playing this on a computer screen, using the latest ZSNES version with the ultra high quality filter they have now. However when I ran it through my media PC hooked to a 27" TV it was difficult to read at best. This is why in the FF-II hack I'm working on I'm leaving the font un-shadowed and sans-serif.
And since I'm editing this, I forgot to mention that your hack looks great so far. :happy:
I appreciate the kind words. However I must admit I haven't been working on my hacks for a while. Although the hack used for that that shot does have some GFX mods and I renamed all the items (and re-wrote the "tool-tip" descriptions)...I'm far from done. I'm still digesting a lot of Deathlike's weapon and equipment modification threads as well as having been inspired by FF-XII's equipment paradigm... So many ideas and planning that I haven't looked at the code for a while...
Don't be too impressed by the last screenshot. Neither Golbez nor Anna are going to be truly playable...that's just a hacked save. However the Cecil and Rosa gfx mods are going to be included in my future hacks.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 11, 2008, 02:34:15 PM
Nah...I'm not that cool...lol. I just forced it in using J2e's DTE...you know if you don't have a hammer use a rock (instead of walking back to the house to get one). However modding the DTE sounds like the right way to do it, meaning I should probably go learn how to do it right.
Ah, it's not hard at all. Find the top half of "A," then the bottom, and do the same for "B" and "C." Now just run a hex search for those values, let's say it was 7A8A7B8B7C8C, change the first $7A and see if the top of the "A" changes. Those hex values are made up, it should be fairly easy to get the correct ones. I recall there's more than one DTE table, but the only one I hacked was used for dialogue, I removed the large font from the menus before I did this hack.
I can probably get you the actual offset if you'd prefer, I've still got my stuff from before I switched to FF2us 1.1.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: vivify93 on June 11, 2008, 03:38:48 PM
Okay, I must ask this extremely retarded question--How did you get the font block to display like that? The only way I can get mine to display is "compact" (as in, it's half the size of that thing). I assume "TLP" is "Tile Layer Pro"?
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 11, 2008, 04:03:04 PM
That's how it displays by default, you should be able to just stretch your window. Or you can use YY-CHR, which is superior in almost every way (It doesn't do SNES 3BPP mode because it's technically a form of compression, the SNES can't actually display 3BPP graphics, they must be converted to 4BPP before displaying them).
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: vivify93 on June 11, 2008, 09:50:09 PM
...Seriously? Mine displays something like this: (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h109/51793Moeman/uhhh.png) I'm using YY-CHR by the way
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 11, 2008, 11:19:48 PM
Switch to SNES 2BPP mode.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: vivify93 on June 11, 2008, 11:51:04 PM
On YY-CHR? It doesn't have that mode... I see 1BPP, 2BPP NES/GB/NGP/VB/MSX, 4BPP SNES/SMS/GG/WSC/MSX/(Genesis)/GBA/MSX (test), and 1 BPP 16x16. ...Am I missing something here?
EDIT: Holy hell, I found it! :whoa:
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Joelsmith380 on August 31, 2008, 10:11:39 AM
Hey Dragonsbrethren, I am working on the dialogue font in the j2e trans but cant seem to find the DTE table. I did what you suggested (finding the hex for top and bottom of each letter) but no luck. Earlier you said you could find the actual offsets, could you post this for me? It would help out alot. Thanks.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on August 31, 2008, 10:19:11 AM
Yeah, I'll find them for you later.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Joelsmith380 on August 31, 2008, 11:02:54 AM
I found a DTE table at B7C40, but the changes I'm making aren't having an effect on the dialogue font. Maybe I'm lookin at the wrong DTE table, that or my hex editor isnt saving the changes for some reason.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on August 31, 2008, 11:04:33 AM
There is more than one of them, just keep trying until you find the one used by the dialogue.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: Joelsmith380 on August 31, 2008, 11:17:00 AM
Got it. Dialogue DTE table starts at 118210. It loads the bottom half of the letter first, thats what was throwin me off. I was looking for 8F9D but in the table it's 9D8F (for the letter T).
Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Replacement Font Recommendations
Post by: HHIPDragonFox on April 07, 2009, 06:00:16 AM
I found the Fonts for Main/Battle Menu at $57200, and I'm not sure what $B7C40 is or does. Could someone Post a List of Most Addresses for Each Fonts?
Example:
Main & Battle Menu Font - $57200 for Headered FF2us v1.1. Field Info & Event Font - $????? for Headered FF2us v1.1. Other???
Thanks
Edit: I reloaded the area and the fonts reworked as well. Also found reloading the game and starting over helps for name lengths to display correctly.