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Random Lesser Known Facts
« on: March 07, 2008, 11:21:17 PM »
I might as well keep a thread that details random details most people don't know and those that look through the number of threads here may have missed or probably don't want to read (I mean, seriously, I have lots of say). I guess this post can serve as something useful that many don't know this info.

So... let's see:

In the Elementals battle, it is not as known that Rubicante has the Mage attribute.

Yang's Endure/Gird command is powered by Spirit.

Yang's Endure command (FF4 only) can always fail while he's Silenced.

When enemies use beneficial spells on you, they are factored against your magic evade, which is why they don't hit.  :lame:

The Screamer (FF2US name) monster has two enemy type/race attributes. This is how I found out that the enemy type multiplier doesn't stack.

Most Spirits are weak vs Holy. The Weeper (FF2US name) monster is the only type that is not weak vs Holy.

Scarmaglione (aka Milon Z in FF2US) is weak vs Holy (and Fire and Aerial attacks)... he absorbs Holy in the Elementals battle.
He's the only undead that absorbs Holy in the game. D. Bone (FF2US Name) is the only undead that isn't weak vs Holy AFAIK.

Aerial elemental is treated like the all the other elementals in the damage algo.
This sucks because I found out that Kain's Blizzard Spear did effectively the same damage than Cecil's Icebrand Sword...
which also means Rosa with her lame Ice arrows look worse than they should.

When a target is weak and absorb the same elemental... it implies the following:

1) When magic is cast on the target, the target is healed. Absorb is prioritized in this instance.

2) When a physical matching elemental attack is made on the target, the target will take damage as if it were weak. Elemental weakness is prioritized in this instance.

The Dark Elf is not the best example, but if you had Holy accessible at that point in time, you would see how it would heal this target, while being massively hurt by the Legend Sword (those types of weapons use the Holy element)

Who's dumb idea was it to have Tellah speak in the Dark Elf's battle? He is the first to die in that tri-elemental sequence of attacks.
The only way to make his speech sound legitimate is to cast Reflect/Wall on Tellah. I don't know why he was even scripted to talk normally.
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Re: Random Lesser Known Facts
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2008, 05:12:08 AM »
Cagnazzo's turtle and shell forms are weak against ice, his tsunami form is weak against lightning. This was made much more obvious in FF4 DS where ice heals his tsunami form and lightning doesn't work nearly as good on his other forms.

Three related to Rubicante:

1. The Rubicante Edge fights solo is the same one the party fights, unlike the Golbez Tellah fights or the Zeromus Golbez and FuSoYa fight.

2. Rubicante counters any summon magic with Ice-2 on himself, not just Shiva.

3. Rubicante has a rarely seen ending message, to get it you need to get him under 1000 HP and have your next attack do less than that.

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Re: Random Lesser Known Facts
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2008, 05:18:30 AM »
Three related to Rubicante:

1. The Rubicante Edge fights solo is the same one the party fights, unlike the Golbez Tellah fights or the Zeromus Golbez and FuSoYa fight.

That explains the massive battle script that makes almost no sense.

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2. Rubicante counters any summon magic with Ice-2 on himself, not just Shiva.

Hmm... this isn't DS specific right? I'll have to try this.

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3. Rubicante has a rarely seen ending message, to get it you need to get him under 1000 HP and have your next attack do less than that.

Sometimes, I want to smack the programmers over the head for just doing that.
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Re: Random Lesser Known Facts
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2008, 05:37:36 AM »
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2. Rubicante counters any summon magic with Ice-2 on himself, not just Shiva.

Hmm... this isn't DS specific right? I'll have to try this.
It worked on the PSX version, I'm not sure about the SNES versions but I'd expect them to be the same.

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Re: Random Lesser Known Facts
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2008, 05:51:03 AM »

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3. Rubicante has a rarely seen ending message, to get it you need to get him under 1000 HP and have your next attack do less than that.

Sometimes, I want to smack the programmers over the head for just doing that.

That was a big WTF for me.  I've played this game, I don't know, 15 times?  Never seen this.

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Re: Random Lesser Known Facts
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2008, 05:56:49 AM »
I first saw it about five years ago. Considering the fact that I've been playing this game since it was released...

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Re: Random Lesser Known Facts
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2008, 05:58:10 AM »
This game has many more unsolved mysteries than... pretty much more than any other FF game I've completed.
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Re: Random Lesser Known Facts
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2008, 06:22:55 AM »
Yeah, so many you could easily start a website documenting them - one of the plans I had but slowly forgot about. I guess the forum will be good enough. :cycle:

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Re: Random Lesser Known Facts
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2008, 05:02:24 PM »
This game has many more unsolved mysteries than... pretty much more than any other FF game I've completed.

Don't forget the bad coding...the worst coding ever.

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Re: Random Lesser Known Facts
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2008, 07:42:55 PM »
Don't forget the bad coding...the worst coding ever.

I highly, highly doubt that, the game is very playable. Just download any random freeware PC game, chances are you'll encounter far worse coding than anything you'd see in FF4. :tongue:

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Re: Random Lesser Known Facts
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2008, 01:15:18 PM »
Why attack with Ice? Just burn the bastard:
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Re: Random Lesser Known Facts
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2008, 02:12:30 AM »
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Don't forget the bad coding...the worst coding ever.
FF1’s is likely worse, since it seriously impacts gameplay. Spells that just plain have no function, Int. having no bearing on spell damage …

Heh. Remember the portrayal of those programmers in the developers’ room?

Anyway, I take it this is Rubicante’s line being referred to?

143(8F): ルビカンテ「ここは わたしのまけだ だが
“This marks my defeat — and yet …â€

Seems pointless. Is there another one following it? (Battle text is apparently out of order in the ROM — though the staff’s comments are amusing.) Does he start using another attack at this point, at the very least?

I guess either something was to be made of this and it was forgotten, or a battle programmer mistakenly made it an extreme rarity for the dialogue to be called.

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Re: Random Lesser Known Facts
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2008, 09:15:03 AM »
It requires low HP (near death for Rubicante) and a physical attack for that "counter reaction".

It's also a self-suicide moment to boot.

I do believe there was one more line for it though...

Odin (not the Lunar version) also has one as well, but it's only for a random lightning attack.
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Re: Random Lesser Known Facts
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2008, 03:20:27 AM »
Aha, so the battle was meant to end with dialogue, but … doesn’t the overwhelming majority of the time. Could you tell me which box is called after, to fulfil my curiosity? :D

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Re: Random Lesser Known Facts
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2008, 08:51:31 AM »
8F, 6A, 5 - That's the dialog order (in hex).

According to FF2's (SNES) dialog...

Rubicant: I lost now
But I shall return!
Good luck...
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