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FF2/4 Rosa's Best Armor->Weapon Combo
« on: December 22, 2007, 01:36:12 AM »
Similar to the previously posted question.. I wonder which is a better combo... I'll list pros and cons to be fair. Assume here that Rosa has a Protect Ring and Ribbon to get a better idea at what I'm getting at...

White/Holy Robe + Artemis Bow:

Pros:
Strongest Bow
Probably the best robe for Rosa for magic defense
Stat boosts are great (+10 STR, AGI, VIT), and most of is countered (-10 WIS, WILL is countered by +15 WILL)

Cons:
It doesn't get the best attack multiplier as it possibly could
Darkness resistance (resistance or elemental or both???) is useless in the Lunar Subterrain.. unless someone can find a good excuse or example
No dragon bonus for the bow...

Heroine/Minerva Robe + Any other weapon combo not named Artemis Bow (Elven or Samurai/Yoichi Bow or Silence Staff)

Pros:
Great stat boosts and in turn good stat multipliers (+15 STR, AGI, VIT)
Great defense and best evade
Immune to paralysis (pretty much good against King-Ryu aka Thunder Dragon)
Rosa is finally decently fast

Cons:
Awful magic defense and subsequently a slightly retarded magic defense multiplier (-15 WIS, WILL, virtually ensures a 1x loss to the magic defense multiplier)
Paralysis is harmless, compared to say Charm

Heroine/Minerva  Robe + Artemis Bow:

Pros:
Offensively and defense, she will kick ass and take names because of strong attack+defense multipliers (+25 STR, AGI, VIT)
Defense is maxed out and she will have great evade
Immune to paralysis
Rosa is the fastest she could ever be

Cons:
Worst magic defense in that combo.. as it means -25 to WIS and WILL == "What magic defense?"
Paralysis is still harmless
Defense is way too saturated, especially when the Protect Ring already provides +15 Vit

So, what do you think? In the end, I've essentially figured out that Rosa is the best candidate for the Adamant Armor... and that's not saying much. With that said, some thoughts on the subject would be nice.

Edit: Updated the numbers for the reference.
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Re: FF2/4 Rosa's Best Armor->Weapon Combo
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2007, 02:19:12 AM »
I would definitely not give her -25 WIS and WILL, as the penalty will screw up her spells as well.  I usually try to boost my mages' WIS and WILL as much as possible, and she can rotate out arrows that are effective against whichever enemies are attacking.  Magic defense matters much more than physical defense from the back row.
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Re: FF2/4 Rosa's Best Armor->Weapon Combo
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2007, 11:17:58 AM »
Quote from: Entroper on December 22, 2007, 02:19:12 AM
I would definitely not give her -25 WIS and WILL, as the penalty will screw up her spells as well.  I usually try to boost my mages' WIS and WILL as much as possible, and she can rotate out arrows that are effective against whichever enemies are attacking.  Magic defense matters much more than physical defense from the back row.

Well, I've never valued Holy... I believe in Cure (out of battle), Cure3 (very good bang for buck), and Cure4 (magic power useless when used on solo ally).

Physical defense is still important, but then again Zeromus doesn't physically attack (if at all, it is extremely rare).

The question really is "what is the best tradeoff", hence the question.
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Re: FF2/4 Rosa's Best Armor->Weapon Combo
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2008, 08:39:22 AM »
Might as well put this up for a reference point when I've discussed how bad Rosa is late game...

Rosa in FF2:


Equipment:
Life Staff
Silver Shield (shield trick)
Ribbon
Heroine Robe
Protect Ring

Rosa in FF4:


Equipment:
Artemis Bow + Artemis Arrows
Ribbon
White Robe
Protect Ring

Rosa in FF4ET:


Equipment:
Artemis Bow + Yoichi/Samurai Arrows (add 25 to attack power if Artemis Arrows are in use)
Ribbon (which has elemental absorb to the basic elementals)
Heroine Robe (which has bonuses of +10 STR, AGI, VIT instead)
Crystal Ring

FF4ET has the right idea as to what needed tweaking... Rosa is too weak/slow in comparison to the other characters...

Rydia in FF2/4:


Equipment:
Dragon Whip
Silver Shield (Shield Trick)
Ribbon
Sorceror/Light Robe
Protect Ring

See, even by Rydia's standards, Rosa barely keeps up with Rydia's attack power because she must rely on getting the Artemis Bow.. which is very important to consider. Factor that the Artemis Bow is a rare drop, makes this a pain in the ass.

Edge in FF2/4:


Equipment:
Masamune
Murasame
Ribbon
Ninja Robe/Dark Gear
Protect Ring

It is arguable that Edge is supposed to have the worst magic defense (he does for a long time anyways). However, by comparison, he's actually on par, if not better than Rosa in these regards. His limited (and nonexistant) gain in Will Power limits his magic defense severely (like resistance to Sleep with the Ninja Hat will help him)

Edge in FF4ET:


Equipment:
Masamune
Murasame
Ribbon (elemental absorb ftw)
Ninja Robe/Dark Gear (+5 Agi instead of the usual +3 Agi)
Crystal Ring

Edge isn't losing too much in the magic defense department, but still just as good magic defensively.

Anyways, Rosa is the worst character in the group, and by a good margin. Anything less than an Artemis Bow or a Life or Silence Staff/Heroine Robe will prevent Rosa from reaching a 6x magic defense multiplier... that's not even factoring her less that desirable stat growth for Will Power.

Rosa has always been the best candidate for the Adamant Armor, and there's the proof as to why.

Edit: Here's another setup I've just considered...

Rosa:


Equipment:
Elven Bow + Artemis Arrows
Tiara (this means no status protection, but you have resistance vs Dragons)
Heroine Robe (you only get Paralysis protection, which is very useful)
Protect Ring

You get the magic multiplier... have much less status protection (which may not really matter at this point) and pretty much declare that the Elven Bow is the most useful of the bows if you don't have the Artemis Bow (if Yoichi's Bow had a different stat boost, it would be different).
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