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Re: Upgrade time
« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2010, 10:42:03 AM »
Has it been decided or is there even an ETA to buy this stuff? :P

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.336175 - best current deal at the moment on Newegg

It's an eVGA GT240 with GDDR5 memory and already overclocked (manufacturer honors their own warranties already overclocked hardware).
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Re: Upgrade time
« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2010, 10:58:41 AM »
Something went wrong, and rather than being deposited into the bank account I've got to wait for the check to actually get here by mail. It's supposed to be here by tomorrow. I'm really cutting it close, though, the first is getting here fast.

I can't get that combo you linked, with the OS, CPU, and RAM it comes out to close to $400. I'm still leaning towards the Sapphire Radeon 4650 I linked earlier. I read some reviews elsewhere, and it'll play everything I'm interested in picking up (and better than I expected, too). With that, plus the PSU I.S.T. linked earlier, I'm right at $300.
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Re: Upgrade time
« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2010, 08:04:24 AM »
Alrighty.

lol @ the GT240 I've linked. From $60 (after rebate), it's now $50 (after rebate).

Heh.  :wink:
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Re: Upgrade time
« Reply #48 on: February 19, 2010, 07:17:57 PM »
Yeah, and the CPU has gone up. :sad:

That GT240, how much power does it draw? I'm just wondering if the PSU I.S.T. linked (this one) will be good enough to power that? I'd rather order everything from one place, but that deal is pretty tempting.
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Re: Upgrade time
« Reply #49 on: February 19, 2010, 07:53:02 PM »
I hate ot use Tom's Hardware as a reference, but it was the first good result on Google for gt240 review, so...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gt-240,2475-19.html
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Re: Upgrade time
« Reply #50 on: February 19, 2010, 10:30:00 PM »
Based on those charts, the GT240 is more power efficient than last gen's hardware of that same price range.

The best part is that the card uses the faster memory.

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Just in case, you can read a review on it for some comparisons:
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1761
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1761&pageID=8430 - jump to power consumption

The review is based on the $50 video card (after rebate) being referenced.
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Re: Upgrade time
« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2010, 12:52:15 PM »
Hmm, seems like it'll be okay then, but I'm not expert. The CPU is 65W and it looks like the card will draw about 200W, I'm not sure about the rest of my hardware though. I've got an HDD, DVD-RW drive, card reader, plus a USB mouse, speakers, and controller adapter, and I'm not sure how much any of those uses. The USB stuff I'm not too concerned with, since I know it's almost nothing, but at the same time I don't want to be right up at the limit of what I can have connected.
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Re: Upgrade time
« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2010, 03:13:02 PM »
Whoa, there! The card will not draw 200 watts. If it did, the little GPU would have a monster sized fan. it'll draw maybe 75 at full load.
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Re: Upgrade time
« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2010, 05:34:15 PM »
Greater power consumption is notable if the 6 (or 8-pin) PCI-E power connector is required (sometimes two of 'em). This card does not even require it.

IIRC, there's a sound card that needed a floppy power connector (one version in the ASUS Xonar series)... and then there was the Voodoo5 that required an external power brick. My probably dead ATI Radeon 9800 Pro required the standard power connector for hard drivers). No worries here.
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Re: Upgrade time
« Reply #54 on: February 21, 2010, 11:40:50 AM »
Something you want to be aware of for newer graphics cards is that the power requirement is also measured in AMPERAGE, not just wattage. I almost missed this and would have had to wait a month after buying the rest of my new computer to be able to use it.

The GTX 260 that I bought requires one of the power rails in the PS to be able to output 36 amps, which is a LOT of power. I would recommend you look up your PS in newegg and see if it can output what the card needs.
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Re: Upgrade time
« Reply #55 on: February 21, 2010, 01:13:01 PM »
the PSU I linked can do it. The card draws like... 40 watts max. a 300 watt PSU can certainly supply that much.

Hell, my 380 watt PSU can supply enough juice to do a GTS 250 and a Core 2 duo derived CPU overclocked to 3 Ghz easy.
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Re: Upgrade time
« Reply #56 on: February 21, 2010, 01:26:15 PM »
Quote from: I.S.T. on February 21, 2010, 01:13:01 PM
the PSU I linked can do it. The card draws like... 40 watts max. a 300 watt PSU can certainly supply that much.

Hell, my 380 watt PSU can supply enough juice to do a GTS 250 and a Core 2 duo derived CPU overclocked to 3 Ghz easy.

Did you mean 40 amps? If so, the 12V rails on the second SeaSonic only provide 20 amps max, and I don't think it will fully power a GT 240.

I only bring this up because it had been so long since I bought a video card that I didn't even stop to consider that they might be judging the power requirement in anything other than watts, but that is no longer the case. It took a co-worker pointing that out to me for me to realize that my 550W power supply from my old computer wouldn't cut it in my new computer. Until then, I truly thought it would.

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Wow. And nVidia's web site doesn't even mention amperage requirements. For shame.

This is the first mention of checking for total amperage that I found, from http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine :

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The recommended total Power Supply Wattage gives you a general idea on what to look for BUT it is NOT a crucial factor in power supply selection! Total Amperage Available on the +12V Rail(s) is the most important, followed by the +5V amperage and then the +3.3V amperage.
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Re: Upgrade time
« Reply #57 on: February 21, 2010, 04:50:48 PM »
*sigh*

No, I mean 40 WATTS. there's no way a 40 watt card would need more than 20 amps, or even 20 amps at all. Yes, they are not fully linked, but there is a correlation between the two.

Also, a lot of "550" watt psus can't actually supply that much. The PSU makers sometimes do dodgy calculations, etc. Some even lie.

Another thing: Those requirements always are overstated. It's easy to run a video card at lower amperage/wattage than what the box says.

Why are they overstated? so morons don't fry their PCs trying to put a GTX 295 with a 150 watt PSU.

finally: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500138

Look at the specs.
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Re: Upgrade time
« Reply #58 on: February 21, 2010, 09:33:04 PM »
Just wanted to make sure it wasn't missed, that's all.
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Re: Upgrade time
« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2010, 03:09:39 PM »
speaking of amperage, i recently came into possession of a MAG LCD monitor, and the amps listed on its back are considerably more than those on comparably-sized LCDs.  the reason is likely because this one has built-in speakers.  but what if i never use the speakers nor even plug it into the computer's audio jack?  will it still draw the listed Amps, or will it fall significantly?  oh, and this thing uses an AC/DC adapter, which is input "100 - 240VAC 1.5A 50 - 60 Hz" and output "12 VDC 3A".

i ask because one advantage of an LCD over a CRT is the lower power usage..  but i dunno if that is the case here, given my two CRTs are rated 1.35A (specifically, 0.9A - 1.8A) and 1.4A.
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