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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 20 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #225 on: January 23, 2011, 10:25:14 AM »
I'm kinda over the loss, but I'll survive. Any comments suggesting that a QB should be running when he's not known to (despite the injuries) is silly. Then again, I can mention how Rodgers was out because of a concussion and Cutler being out of the same thing... because they ran unnecessarily (of course, not all cases are simple, but we can also point to a Brett Favre Vikings NFC Championship game as the cue to remind some folks). Too many rushing QBs get injured... and often (McNabb and Vick aren't out of this list)... so don't go thinking this is a good idea all the time (tm).


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The Packers are a better overall team than the Bears. The game will be close mind you, given the nature of divisional rivals and pretty much anything can happen. Rodgers probably won't have the awesome pwnage game like he did vs the Falcons, but having a legit running game will make it harder for the Bears since it allows play action. The Bears o-line is better now, but I think it can be had... However, if the Bears are to win, it will start with Devin Hester and special teams making it... I think that Bears defense can hold its end of the bargain, but I like the Packers d better in this scenario. I still think Cutler is a semi-Grossman like guy and he's either going to be very good or very bad...

Besides, who's cute idea was it to let the Seahawks back in the game... the HB pass is a TERRIBLE IDEA at this point.

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If the Steelers win, Big Ben has made enough big plays when he's outside the pocket while the Jets defense may have broken down... and the Steelers defense with Polamalu gets a turnover (most likely from an INT). The Steelers defense is more than capable to stopping that Jets running game to force Sanchez to throw... but that fail of a run defense was a major issue the last time around.

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(6) Jets @ (2) Steelers: Sunday 8 est (I think)

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I don't like this pick as I want the Steelers to win. I like Big Ben (as the player, not the off field crap), but I feel that the Jets can reasonably contain Ben in the pocket like last time. Despite the biggest difference in this matchup is Polamalu being missing in the last game, the problem unfortunately is that the Steelers o-line is not that good... especially compared to the Jets o-line. More importantly, Jets special teams is still holding up its side of the deal... and similar to the earlier Jets @ Steelers matchup, the Steelers special teams is simply not that great. I think the Jets will do a lot more zone coverage despite the number of receivers that the Steelers feature... and I'm sure Santonio Holmes will at least attempt to make a statement against his former team.

I'm just surprised that no actual analysis has gone to this point.... but I guess we still watch the games on any given Sunday.  :tongue:

There's no real advantage to the Packers over the Bears when it comes to the weather.... Packers have played in Lambeau Field... that's fucking cold weather to me (not in this playoffs, but it almost sounds like you were making them some sort of dome team).

It's also worth pointing out that Lovie Smith didn't really want to face the Packers in the playoffs... and that was the effort that was shown in Week 17. I think it's fair to say it won't be as maddeningly low scoring, but it's still a potential omen. The Packers are playing their best football... and as my best comparison of them.. they do look like the Steelers of 06 when they won the SB. There's something to be said for that...

Also, I don't have any issues with the cheeseheads (except for the Vikings fans). I don't have any issue with the same team that used to have Brett Favre that beat the Pats more than a decade ago in a SB.
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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 20 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #226 on: January 23, 2011, 03:21:02 PM »
It is worth pointing out here that everyone (other than Poco Loco who's just rooting) has picked every possible combo... so only one person will get 2-0, and another will get into an 0fer.
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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 20 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #227 on: January 23, 2011, 03:59:47 PM »
Cutler is injured... again (wasn't it with him trying to run the ball again? :P )

Unless magic happens, Collins is not going to save the Bears team.

Also, I've also noticed my picks are totally opposite of Leno...
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« Reply #228 on: January 23, 2011, 05:20:36 PM »
Nice to see the Bears at least try to make it a game... when the Packers didn't quite seal the deal. The irony of having the 3rd QB become reasonably better than Cutler will probably spark some debate with Hanie over Cutler will probably be.... interesting. The pick six by the NT was pretty amusing (minus the dancing) as the defense of the Packers stepped up while Rodgers did not have such a great game.
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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 20 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #229 on: January 23, 2011, 09:01:35 PM »
Congrats to the Steelers for kicking the Jets in the ass.

Although, there are real issues with the Steelers going forward, but they scored early and enough to win the game. Despite the turnovers by the Steelers, the Jets simply could not cash in and in the end the defense did ultimately let them down by allowing Big Ben to run free outside the pocket for most of the game... especially with that super makeshift o-line that is devastated with another key injury.

Congrats to both Steelers and Packers.

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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 20 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #230 on: January 23, 2011, 09:04:07 PM »
hah, my approach of picking the lesser teams to win shockingly came up empty. :/

still, both games got quite entertaining in the second half.  they were plenty watchable, which means 6+ hours weren't squandered.  how about that Caleb Hanie and his teenage mustache, eh?  our 1st and 2nd string quarterbacks were just a warm-up act for his awesomeness!
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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 20 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #231 on: January 23, 2011, 09:13:07 PM »
If there was no major injury to Cutler, I don't think they would've had the answers in that game...

On the other hand, was it a forgone conclusion to go strictly to Hanie when you could've just asked Collins to hand the ball off and wait for the 4th? If there was no shot of either, then I guess that's OK, but it is deeply questionable unless Collins ineffectiveness or both QBs are injured to an extreme where you don't even give them a shot to come back because of the rule... I recall the emergency rule being very relevant when it came up.
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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 20 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #232 on: January 23, 2011, 09:23:28 PM »
There's no real advantage to the Packers over the Bears when it comes to the weather....

which is why i said "slight advantage".

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Packers have played in Lambeau Field... that's fucking cold weather to me (not in this playoffs, but it almost sounds like you were making them some sort of dome team).

how does this sound like i'm making them a dome team?

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It's not so much that I think Cutler is a better cold weather quarterback than Rodgers, or that the Bears are a better cold weather team than the Packers.  Rather, I saw how Green Bay's offense really stretched its wings in a nice, warm dome game last week.  Unpleasant outdoor conditions are less amenable to a high-flying passing game.  Because Green Bay has more of an aerial attack than Chicago does to start with, they simply have more to lose in this category.

i don't think it's controversial to say that climate-controlled conditions and a playing surface that's avoided the elements is generally better for the passing game.

my commentary wasn't on Green Bay's location (i can look North on a map just fine :P), but on their team's offensive style, particular in its uber high-scoring outings in Atlanta, and last year in Arizona.

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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 20 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #233 on: January 23, 2011, 09:28:33 PM »
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It's not so much that I think Cutler is a better cold weather quarterback than Rodgers, or that the Bears are a better cold weather team than the Packers.  Rather, I saw how Green Bay's offense really stretched its wings in a nice, warm dome game last week.  Unpleasant outdoor conditions are less amenable to a high-flying passing game.  Because Green Bay has more of an aerial attack than Chicago does to start with, they simply have more to lose in this category.

i don't think it's controversial to say that climate-controlled conditions and a playing surface that's avoided the elements is generally better for the passing game.

my commentary wasn't on Green Bay's location (i can look North on a map just fine :P), but on their team's offensive style, particular in its uber high-scoring outings in Atlanta, and last year in Arizona.

Sounds like giving away the Lombardi time, since Cowboys Stadium is another freaking dome.

It's obviously better to play in a dome.. but QBs that are built for the weather are usually able to up their game in a dome (I have not seen Ben's stats, but I know Brady has better stats in a dome) whereas the opposite is true.. dome teams playing outside (for the most part, perception-wise, see Peyton's stats being more notable)... it is simply tougher for a dome team to win it all IMO (Vikings need a new stadium, and no fucking domes this time)... and last years Saints+Colts don't count (outside in Miami, but they are both dome teams).

Oh well... my head is kinda out there.
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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 20 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #234 on: January 23, 2011, 09:34:51 PM »
as for the Jets/Steelers game, the factor of Big Ben's mobility didn't surprise me, but what did was Mendenhall having a nice full game's worth of rushing in one half.  he was really off to the races.

congrats to Gil Galad on the 2-0.  Lenophis and I are now out of the running for winning the playoffs picking challenge.  Deathlike2 can at best hope to tie Gil in the Super Bowl.

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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 21 (Super Bowl?!)
« Reply #235 on: January 28, 2011, 11:40:41 AM »
In "way out of left field!" news, Jeff Fisher and the Titans have agreed to part ways. The Titans just entered super rebuilding mode. :tongue:

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« Reply #236 on: January 30, 2011, 06:19:19 PM »
Fisher hasn't had consistent winning seasons in his time with the Titans... it doesn't make him less of a coach, but it's not entirely surprising either.

In other news, I think a crazy idea would be to have the winning conference in the Pro Bowl should get the chance to make their pick of the coin toss in the SB of the following year. It doesn't really change much in the grand scheme of things, but it would make more sense IMO... unlike baseball where you have home field advantage... the SB is a neutral site and if we believe that the coin toss makes no difference in the grand scheme of things... then that's the best you can kinda hope for... I guess?
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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 21 (Super Bowl?!)
« Reply #237 on: February 06, 2011, 01:59:31 PM »
And now, I am the first to make an official pick for the big game, despite 3 people having voted already.

Steelers over the Packers, 38-35

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« Reply #238 on: February 06, 2011, 02:05:13 PM »
Then I shall be the second one to post. I already done the poll and I think I was the first one.

I'm going with the Green Bay Packers this time. They have fewer superbowl wins and appearances.

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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 21 (Super Bowl?!)
« Reply #239 on: February 06, 2011, 02:28:21 PM »
Packers, 24-21

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Simply put, I think the Packers are the better overall team.

Offense:
Big Ben is definitely an offense threat by being the big playmaker.... however I think Mendenhall with be the bigger offensive threat in this game. The Packers running game is "good enough" to allow for play action, although I believe Rodgers is a better passer overall and has similar capabilities that Big Ben has (except he's simply not as big).

Defense:
The Steelers run d is very solid.. but their secondary is very suspect (primarily based on a Pats @ Steelers game). If Rodgers has anything resembling that game in Atlanta (especially when Cowboys Stadium is a dome), it might be a tough night for the secondary. The Packers run d is not as good statistically, but that can be somewhat attributed to injuries. I do believe that run d can be had (like the Steelers), but that Packers secondary is very much a playmaking bunch, so it might not be as easy to get someone as fast as the Steelers Mike Wallace to stay open.

Special Teams:
Both teams are not that good in that dept, but I'd give only a slight edge to the Packers as they have a slightly better return game. Additionally both Steelers kicker and punter are not those that started the season with... which can be somewhat problematic.

In sum, Leno is picking the Steelers because... it's the cheeseheads that still dominate the black and blue division (PRAY FOR NO MORE DOME LENO):tongue:
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