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FF4 Algo - Input Requested
« on: September 24, 2008, 03:33:28 PM »
I have all the data all written out on the boards, but I doubt it is ideally presented as it is currently written.

So, in a call to "pleading ignorance" on how I should go about writing the physical and magical algos, how should they be presented?

I've seen the FF3/6, and FF5 ones.. and they look ok.. but have differences.

FF3/6's Algo has it laid out easily, but it doesn't fit well into how the algo is processed in FF4... although the individual command aspects are laid out well.

FF5 Algo is pretty good, but wordy.. and not that it's difficult, but it has too many exceptions to the rule and whatnot.

I'm just looking at a sane way of going about this... suggestions, anyone?

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Link to Gamefaqs copy - http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/snes/file/588330/54945
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Re: FF4 Algo - Input Requested
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2008, 09:30:01 AM »
Screw it, this "view topic" and "no post" is not making me happy.

There's a basic formula.. my current layout is close to what I want, but I'll have to separate the multipliers better since the order of how they are executed is confusing.
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Re: FF4 Algo - Input Requested
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2008, 09:53:16 AM »
Keep in mind a lot of the views come from various guests, spiders, and bots. I wanted to check out the other guides before I gave my answer, I haven't read them in a long time, but I haven't had a chance yet, I've been really busy the past two days.
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Re: FF4 Algo - Input Requested
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2008, 02:02:47 PM »
There's no rush.. I'm more or less thinking out loud for the most part...
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Re: FF4 Algo - Input Requested
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2008, 10:31:31 PM »
Here's the attack algo in a nutshell. Hopefully it is clear and concise.
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Re: FF4 Algo - Input Requested
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2008, 09:34:14 AM »
Very well written.  My only thought when reading these algorithms is "Who the hell would want to know this?", but that's my feeling on just about any RPG algorithm explanation.

Unless they're planning on hacking it, I guess.  :laugh:

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Re: FF4 Algo - Input Requested
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2008, 09:39:33 AM »
Quote from: DarknessSavior on September 26, 2008, 09:34:14 AM
Very well written.  My only thought when reading these algorithms is "Who the hell would want to know this?", but that's my feeling on just about any RPG algorithm explanation.

Unless they're planning on hacking it, I guess.  :laugh:

~DS

It's meant to be for dummies, but eventually posting it on Gamefaqs will prove to be futile/fatal.  :tongue:

The hacking component is far more valuable to me anyways. I want 'em good hacks!  :lungs:  :banonsmash:

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Re: FF4 Algo - Input Requested
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2008, 09:43:09 AM »
I agree with DS, it's a good format and it's very clear. I still didn't read the FF5 and FF6 docs (Should be less hectic around here after today though, so hopefully I'll get around to it soon) but I like this as it is now.
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Re: FF4 Algo - Input Requested
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2008, 10:11:57 AM »
If any of this is useful for FF4DS (I somewhat doubt everything will be the same), you can write up something based on this guide as long as proper credit is given.
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Re: FF4 Algo - Input Requested
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2008, 02:04:31 PM »
Ok, I've finally integrated the magic damage algo...

Comments, critque, crap, etc.

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Re: FF4 Algo - Input Requested
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2008, 02:58:13 PM »
I forgot about the split damage modifier... let's try this again.
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Re: FF4 Algo - Input Requested
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2008, 04:33:17 PM »
Ok, there are some slight improvements, but now there is the HP algo in its final form (at least noone has yet confirmed everything I wrote, but I'm pretty sure it is dead solid information).

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Updated file with the new racial protection modifier for armor.
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Re: FF4 Algo - Input Requested
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2008, 11:40:46 PM »
Here's an updated guide, with commands pretty much explained in detail for the most part (except for Steal, because it's still a mystery).

There are a few sections I don't like, probably the Hide and Cover commands need the most work.

In any case, please remember to give feedback.

Note: The command section will include a section on statuses that prevent the command from being selected. This is different from a command that fails to execute due to statuses, which will be listed as part of the information for individual command.
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Re: FF4 Algo - Input Requested
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2008, 01:14:54 AM »
Seriously, this no feedback thing is killing me here.

I've added the section on spells disabled by command.

Does anyone have suggestions for what should be listed in the special spell section other that 99% of the monster spells?

Can anyone hear me????????
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Re: FF4 Algo - Input Requested
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2008, 04:35:20 PM »
for the bare fists attack power, couldn't(shouldn't?) it be (str + lv)/4 instead of str/4 + lv/4? that makes more sense than dividing 2 things by 4, and it's cleaner.

i just started reading this, and thought i'd make a suggestion.

:edit: same for here:

All Weapons That Don't Involve A Bow:

Base Attack Power = Weapon's Attack Power + Str/4 + Level/4  -- wap + (str + lv)/4

in fact, i see it used a few more times. 
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