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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 19 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #195 on: January 14, 2011, 02:38:39 AM »
no picks yet, but thought i'd post first this week so i don't come across like some slacker copycat again. :P  i'm favoring the teams that had bye weeks, except for maybe the Falcons being felled by the Packers.  also, i'm uneasy about the Bears, but probably not enough to pick against them.

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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 19 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #196 on: January 14, 2011, 09:12:34 AM »
I forget which year it was (it was recent) that the teams despite the bye week were still beaten to a pulp. Given this season, it is not a given.
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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 19 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #197 on: January 14, 2011, 11:05:36 AM »
Home teams with a bye are 10-10 over the last 5 years during this round. No such thing as a favorite this week.

(5) Ravens @ (2) Steelers: Saturday 4:30 est
This has been the best rivalry in the game over the past few years. I have big reservations about it being the first game of the weekend. :banonsmash: Over the last 19 games, Steelers have 9, Ravens have 8. They scored the same amount of points, have about the same yards per game, and it's the perfect storm of a matchup. They mimic each other perfectly. Joe Cool has won 4 road playoff games already (tied for most all-time), and Big Ben has 2 rings. The season series went to the road teams. Take your pick...

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(6) Packers @ (1) Falcons: Saturday 8 est
Matty Ice's home record now stands at 20-2. The Packers are playing far better than anybody thought they would with all the injuries they have. To me, this appears to be the biggest mismatch of the weekend. I say that only because the Pack are the only team to not win the first matchup.

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(4) Seahawks @ (2) Bears: Sunday 1 est
The Seahawks are once again big underdogs. Last time they were big underdogs, they won in an offensive show. Now their defense has to step up. They already did beat the Bears in Chi-town earlier this year (sorry assassin), so they have something to look back on for the rematch. Given how different each team is playing now, that last victory may mean nothing, but that's why they play the game. The Seahawks definitely have a chance.

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(6) Jets @ (1) Patriots: Sunday 4:30 est
The home team won each game, which includes that 45-3 destruction by the Patriots. Sanchez is playing well right now, and the Patriots are laying a path of "get anybody get the plate number of that truck?" On paper, the Patriots win big, but this isn't paper. This should be a lot closer than anybody wants it to be. :tongue:

My picks: Ravens, Falcons, Bears, Patriots. I have no confidence in any of my picks, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if I took a bagel this week.

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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 19 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #198 on: January 14, 2011, 01:05:45 PM »
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Ravens Vs. Steelers

I am going to go for the Steelers. They seem to win a lot of times on big games with big plays.

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Packers Vs. Falcons

I have my doubts but I am going for the Packers anyways.

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Seahawks Vs. Bears

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Jets Vs. Patriots

I think the Patriots will win yet again. They've been owning the Jets so far.

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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 19 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #200 on: January 14, 2011, 11:43:48 PM »
I'm not going to give you much analysis this time around... most of my thoughts have been posted for most of the teams I get to watch and see...

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Steelers - This will be a nailbiter for the most part. Both defenses are capable of stopping the run, so I expect it to come down to which QB will succeed more... Big Ben or Joe Flacco. I lean towards Big Ben in this matchup.

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(6) Packers @ (1) Falcons: Saturday 8 est

Packers - The earlier matchup with the Falcons proved a point... the Falcons got a tad lucky but the Packers didn't have a run game at the time... they have a semi-legitimate one now and now can effectively run play action... which the Packers could not do in the earlier matchup.

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(4) Seahawks @ (2) Bears: Sunday 1 est

Bears - Believe it or not, the Seahawks won the earlier matchup... however this happened after a Seahawks bye week and an atrocious Cutler (this was even before the Bears smackdown).  Cutler should be better this time around, but I honestly don't think he's the QB that would really scare anyone. If the Seahawks are effective though, it's because that Bears o-line is atrocious....

Note: If the Seahawks lose, it will most likely be a double digit loss.

Scary thought: A Packers @ Seahawks NFC Championship sounds like crap.

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(6) Jets @ (1) Patriots: Sunday 4:30 est

Pats - I could easily insert a foot reference here, but I won't. I will say that the Jets still have a shot, but the margin of that chance is slim and it ultimately starts with Sanchez to being effective.
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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 19 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #201 on: January 15, 2011, 05:31:38 AM »
Lenophis: keep in mind that in the first Ravens/Steelers game, which the Ravens won narrowly, Ben Roethlisberger was still suspended, and thus wasn't even in the game.  backup Charlie Batch played, and he posted unimpressive stats: 57.1% completion percentage, 141 yards, 0 TD, 1 Int, and 57.8 rating.  not that Big Ben did much better in their next meeting, but he could've swung the outcome in the first.

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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 19 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #202 on: January 15, 2011, 06:00:24 AM »
Baltimore at Pittsburgh = Pittsburgh, 21-18

This is the first game I've done analysis for this week, and probably the game I'll analyze the most, because it's one of the tightest matchups.  These are two very similar teams.  12-4 records, great defenses, and strong rushing attacks.  I'm favoring the Steelers because they simply seem to be a better version of the Ravens.  They have slightly more points scored per game; less points allowed per game; more total yards, passing yards, and rushing yards per game; and less total yards, passing yards, and rushing yards allowed per game.  There is a particular gap in the rushing and total yards allowed.  In head-to-head matchups, the teams split the season series, the road team winning by 3 points each game.  However, in the earlier game in Week 4, Ben Roethlisberger didn't even play, as mentioned in my previous post.  The Steelers are 5-3 at home, and the Ravens 5-3 on the road, so I don't see a field advantage either way (though the Ravens did demonstrate their ability to win at Heinz this year).  Against common opponents, both teams went 9 of 12.  Both teams took 3/4 against the NFC South; in the AFC East, the Steelers took 2/4 while the Ravens took 3/4, thanks to their win over the Jets; against their division opponents in the AFC North, the Ravens took 3/4 while the Steelers took 2/4.  In the sum of these 12 common matchups, the Steelers had a 30 better point differential, which works out to 2.5 points/game.  In their 2 uncommon matchups, both teams won both of their games.  Though note that the Steelers faced slightly better opponents, and emerged with a better point differential.

As far as quarterbacks go, Big Ben continues to be strong, and Joe Flacco continues to mature.  They posted similar stats this year, though I'd give a slight edge to Roethlisberger.  Flacco's playoff stats have been pretty sad -- aside from the Tennessee game in 2008 -- until this year's Kansas City matchup, where he did very well.  Still, Ben has more of a consistent track record in the playoffs, so I give him the advantage again.

The Ravens are a great team, and I've been burned by picking against them in playoffs past (but fortunately learned my lesson for this year's Round 1).  Still, I have trouble choosing Baltimore when I can pick Baltimore+1, which happens to be Pittsburgh.
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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 19 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #203 on: January 15, 2011, 01:37:23 PM »
Green Bay at Atlanta = Green Bay, 24-22

Atlanta has the best record in the NFC and the second best in the NFL, at 13-3.  Green Bay is a more modest 10-6.  Never losing by more than 4 points and having a hefty 148-point differential between points fielded and points allowed, they're better than that record indicates.  But are they better than the Falcons, who have a solid 126-point differential, and are a game-winning machine?  That is the question.

The Falcons have slightly more points scored per game, while Green Bay has allowed less points per game.  No real edge there.  Green Bay wins in total yards achieved and total yards allowed, and more pronouncedly in passing yards and passing yards allowed.  Atlanta wins in both rushing offense and defense.  Overall, in the yardage category, I'd give Wisconsinites a slight edge.

In their one meeting this year, the Falcons won 20-17.  It was a nail-biter decided in the final seconds that could have gone either way.  Atlanta has a 7-1 home record this year, while the Packers are a measly 3-5 on the road.  So the field is definitely advantageous to the Falcons.  Still, this isn't as bad as it looks, as the Pack only loses by tiny margins; no venue has been futile for them.

The teams have only had two common opponents this year.  The Falcons lost to the Eagles on the Road, while Green Bay beat them twice on the road: once in the regular season, and once in the playoffs.  Both teams beat San Francisco, the Packers by a larger margin.  Green Bay wins this small category.

Most of these teams' games were against "uncommon opponents" (i.e. not faced by both teams), 13 of 16 total games.  Since direct comparisons are scarce for these teams, we'll have to look to these games for super indirect comparisons.  In these 13 such games, the Packers went 8-5, while the Falcons were a dominating 11-2.  Also, the Falcons had a slightly better average point differential (+ 10.38 versus + 9.69).  However, the opponents Atlanta faced in these 13 games were somewhat inferior to the ones Green Bay faced in theirs.  If you look at the average final season records of the Packers' unique opponents, it was an even 8-8.  While for the Falcons unique opponents, it was 7.54-8.46.  The two teams' opponents were pretty similar on total season defense (Falcons' foes being 6 points harder), while the Packers' foes were significantly stronger on total season offense (by 33 points).  Neither team had a very tough journey.  Still, 11-2 is significantly better than 8-5, so even if you handicap it to account for weaker opponents, I give the Falcons the edge here.

Another way to examine things is to see how each team fared against winning teams, and against losing teams.  (I define "winning" as an ultimate season record of over 8 wins, and "losing" with a final record of under 8 wins.)  Green Bay faced 7 "winners" and 9 "losers", while Atlanta faced 8 winners and 8 losers.  Atlanta cleaned up against losers, taking 8 of 8 games.  Understandable, given they got to face the Sisters of the West and the tragic Panthers.  Green Bay faced plenty of chumps too, such as Buffalo, but not as many.  They beat 6 of 9 losers, having mysterious losses to teams like Washington (who bafflingly also beat the Bears, and the Eagles once).  Against winners, which is what we care about, the Falcons took 5 of 8 matchups, while the Packers took 4 of 7.  The Falcons have a narrow edge there, though point comparison tells a different story: against "winners", Atlanta actually had an average point differential of -0.25, while Green Bay had an average of +5.86.  Thus, I'd rank these teams as about even against winners.  So no edge here.

Now for the quarterbacks.  Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers have similar stats, with Rodgers slightly better in most categories.  However, Ryan does have a better TD/Int ratio (over 3, very nice), and he's better protected, barely getting sacked at all.  One area where Rodgers dominates is rushing; he's a regular track star, while Ryan runs like a little girl with peg legs.  Rodgers also has the edge in playoff experience, albeit with a small sample size.  He's been godly in his two career playoff games, while Matt was mediocre in his single playoff game in 2008, and that was against a Cardinals' defense which was very bad in the regular season.  Still, that was in his very first season at the green age of 23, so I really can't judge him harshly for that.  Nonetheless, the Man from Chico has demonstrated an ability to step things up in the playoffs, while Ryan is more unproven in this part of the calendar.

If Green Bay can shut down the rush, they'll force the Falcons to test their awesome pass defense, and net some 3-and-outs and perhaps interceptions.  If not, they'll have to hope their offense can match Atlanta's potency tit-for-tat.  Avoiding excessive false starts in front of a loud opposing crowd will be necessary to achieve that.

Based off of stats, I'd have to favor Atlanta slightly.  They beat pretty much everybody, including the Ravens, and came close to beating the Steelers; the only game they weren't competitive in was at the Eagles.  But from my posts here for the past few weeks, you can tell I'm captivated by Green Bay.  They have an awesome points scored/allowed differential (second only to New England) coupled with a modest record that doesn't reflect it and a measly sixth seed spot -- all of this makes them desirable underdogs to root for.  Not as fun as the 9-7 Arizona Cardinals from two years ago, but still compelling.  Furthermore, they made a valiant stand against the evil Patriots, who had just finished obliterating the Jets and Bears in prior weeks, doing so on the enemy's home turf with backup quarterback Matt Flynn.  This was impressive both in showing the Pack's bench depth, but also distinguishing them from other teams with similar records (New York and Chicago come across as pretenders with no chance of winning it all, unless New England suddenly decides they fancy golf or square dancing more).

Both the Falcons and Packers have arguably improved as the season progressed.  Atlanta went 6-2 in the first half, and 7-1 in the second half.  Green Bay was 5-3 in both halves, but two of their losses in the second half occurred in games in which Rodgers was partially or fully absent.  Had he been in the entire games, they very well could have been wins.  Also, as other posters here mentioned, Green Bay has improved their running game, becoming a more balanced team than before.

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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 19 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #204 on: January 15, 2011, 10:10:38 PM »
Leno, did you pick against the Packers just to hate on them (being in the same division as the Vikings)?

By virtue of Leno's differing Saturday picks, Leno has lost for the week (though having a chance to hold even for the week).

Postgame analysis:

As I said before... Big Ben is better than Flacco in the very end (although Steelers special teams nearly coughed it up).

Falcons look like a better version of this years version of the Chiefs... and the Packers look like the Steelers of their 06 run. This is something worth watching going forward.
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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 19 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #205 on: January 15, 2011, 10:46:08 PM »
man, i watched the wrong game.  i was zonked this afternoon and knew i could never stay awake for both games, so i set my alarm for the 2nd one, and slept through the first...  which turned out to be the suspenseful one.

eh, the first half of the Packers-Falcons game was entertaining enough.  but i missed the awesome 102-yard kickoff return due to channel flipping.  damned _House_ reruns. :P

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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 19 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #206 on: January 16, 2011, 06:13:20 AM »
Seattle at Chicago = Chicago, 26-21

Yes, the Seahawks beat the Bears in Chicago this year.  However, as others have noted, that was largely the fault of the Bears' offensive line, which is much-improved since then.  In that game, the Seahawks defense: had a safety, sacked Jay Cutler 6 times, limited the Bears offense to 61 yards rushing, and made the Bears go 0-12 on 3rd down conversions.  All these are to the Seahawks' credit, but it's hard to envision multiple of these feats being repeated.  Then again, there were good things in that game that could go worse for the Bears this time around: an 89-yard punt return touchdown for Devin Hester, 0 turnovers, and only 2 penalties.  Also, while Hasselback played solid in that meeting, he could play like the beast we saw against the Saints last week.

The Bears have a better defense than the Saints, though not by much, and they also have the benefit of studying that upset game on tape.  Seattle only went 7-9 in the regular season, and that's with having weak division companions to beat up on.  The Bears went a solid 11-5, even if many of those wins were against chumps.

The Bears have a slight edge in points scored, and a significant edge in points allowed.  As far as yardage goes, Chicago is better in all defensive categories.  Seattle is better offensively in total yards and passing yards, but Chicago is better at attaining rushing yards.  Advantage to Chicago here.

Against common opponents, both teams beat the lowly Panthers by 17.  Both teams lost to the Giants, though the Seahawks did so in more spectacular fashion.  So a slight edge to the Bears in this category.

The average final record of the teams faced for the Bears was 7.56 - 8.44.  For the Seahawks, it was 7.75 - 8.25.  So the Seahawks' schedule was a *hair* more difficult.  In other terms, Seattle faced 7 winners during the regular season (where "winner" is defined as a team that won more than 8 games at the end), while Chicago faced 6 winners.  However, the Bears fared better against winners, with 3 wins versus the Seahawks' 2.  Also, their average point differential against winning teams was better: -6.33 versus -13.71, though both teams were crappy in this regard.

Chicago is 6-2 at home, while Seattle is a sad 2-6 on the road.  So the field advantage goes to the Bears.  Now, as mentioned above, the Seahawks did beat the Bears on their turf this season, but they'd still rather be playing at Qwest with the crowd on their side.

As far as quarterbacks, Jay Cutler posted better stats this year than Matt Hasselback in nearly every category, particularly touchdowns and TD/Int ratio.  Hasselback had more interceptions than touchdowns, which is uncharacteristic of him.  Areas where the Seattle QB had the advantage are being sacked FAR less -- Cutler was a tackling dummy for several games -- and giving up less fumbles, with goes with the territory of not being sacked constantly.  More notably, Hasselback has been appearing in playoff games since 2003, and has actually compiled a solid track record in them, with last week being a very fine installation for him.  Cutler has no playoff appearances whatsoever.  So overall, I favor Hasselback despite his off year, as playoffs bring a raised amount of pressure and preparation from opposing defenses.  It's a complete mystery how Cutler will react to this.

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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 19 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #207 on: January 16, 2011, 06:39:20 AM »
New York at New England = New England, 28-17

So New York has a slightly better defense in terms of points allowed, and more notably better in terms of yardage allowed.  But New England's defense has improved as the season progressed.

In points scored, the Patriots are really in a category unto themselves.  If you're very generous, maybe 4 other teams in the NFL are in this category, but the Jets aren't one of them.  It's hard to see New York keeping pace with New England, unless their defense somehow pulls off a big lockdown.  They couldn't lock down the damn Bears, so I'm skeptical of that, though anything's possible.  The Patriots are also quite solid in yardage, though not as markedly so, with several teams better than them.  Sometimes, a notable discrepancy between yardage and points means a team was lucky to advance the ball at the right time.  But in this case, given the Pats' track record, I'd attribute it more to cold efficiency, which is borne out by their 48.8% 3rd down conversion rate, the second best in the league.

The teams met twice this year, with the Jets winning the first matchup by 14 points, and the Patriots winning the second by a staggering 42 points.  While I don't expect the latter figure to be replicated this week, I believe it's more indicative of the Patriots' skill level than the first figure is, due to examining the games surrounding it.  In New England's final six games of the season, all were blowout wins, except for their narrow win over the Packers.

When somebody besides Green Bay shows that they can hang with the Patriots in recent history, I might pick against them.  But until then, I'll join the hordes of pundits in picking for them.

I'm short on analysis here for two reasons:
1) After analyzing the first two matchups this week into the ground (and the third one a decent amount), I'm fatigued.
2) New England is dominant enough for me to put less thought into this game.

Now, I'll be rooting for the Jets, but my well wishes probably won't get them anywhere. :P

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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 19 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #208 on: January 16, 2011, 06:44:34 AM »
Leno, did you pick against the Packers just to hate on them (being in the same division as the Vikings)?
Not entirely. I thought the Falcons were ready to take that next step, and they way they played this year I thought they would've at least made the NFC championship.

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Re: NFL season (2010-2011) week 19 (playoffs?!)
« Reply #209 on: January 16, 2011, 07:42:12 AM »
Leno, did you pick against the Packers just to hate on them (being in the same division as the Vikings)?
Not entirely. I thought the Falcons were ready to take that next step, and they way they played this year I thought they would've at least made the NFC championship.

I was already convinced the Packers would win in a rematch... that is the team that made the next step IMO. I watched the pain Packers @ Falcons the first time around and also the Packers @ Pats game.

assassin... in fooball they say stats are for losers and in a number of cases, this is true. One of the things worth analyzing is the context of how a team wins a game. It is somewhat difficult to look over the numbers and draw the proper conclusions... although things like garbage TDs are usually around affecting such stats as point differential and the progression of a defense (like the Pats godawful 3rd down stat, which still scares me). Then again... it is still difficult to get the proper context of a lot of stuff in football w/o understanding the underlying logic of a gameplan or execution...

I guess we could sum it all up in one coach's words... we (viewers) don't know what they (coaches) know.
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