Topic: Unprecedented Crisis now on RHDN

[Grimoire LD]

So, I am back up to Baron Revisited and I see you put the Blind Dagger in Baron's shop, though it looks as if it has the same attack power as the old Mythril Knife did, no matter. This run was to see how effective Edward could be with Daggers and I think he's doing pretty fine thus far.

Oh? You changed up the Mist Cave return trip? How interesting! It makes it a lot better than just running from every low-level foe.

It is nice to see the Mysidia foes here, it gives a sense of internal consistency and the new treasures are a nice touch as well! Was this the new addition you were referring to? Did you just use a copy of the Mist Cave map, or did you hack someway to load a different encounter table?

Ah, the Battle Axe? That is really, really good for it to be free! Are you sure that's such a good idea though?

I half expected another boss there at the end of it! I recall you mentioning a while back that you wanted the Roc to be turned into a boss like foe, with the abundance of Ravens and Cockatrices I'm a little surprised the Roc wasn't at the end of it.

Hmm, Roc Baby's in the Misty Mountains still have less than 60 HP it seems.

Haha! Just like the first time I fought Scarmiglione 2 in this mod, Leviathan to the rescue, Edward was dead, Cecil was hurting, Cid and Yang were Cursed but a lucky "Help!" again got me Leviathan.

"being posessed by a monster!" Possessed is still spelled wrong.

I really like the new Chakra, it is very useful without being overpowered.

Oh boy... tell me there's nothing wrong with my ROM this time... So I decided to see if anything was changed with the King SALOON, didn't appear so, but as I walked to make my way to the back room I was immediately warped to the traditional default map warp.

Thankfully I had saved before going into Troia.

[Lumiere77]

It's not your rom, Pinkpuff used the trigger for something else and forgot about it.

[Pinkpuff]

So, I am back up to Baron Revisited and I see you put the Blind Dagger in Baron's shop, though it looks as if it has the same attack power as the old Mythril Knife did, no matter. This run was to see how effective Edward could be with Daggers and I think he's doing pretty fine thus far.

How does it stand up to the harp build? Does the extra speed from the knife and the extra defense from the ring make a significant difference? Should I drop the price of the blind knife a little?

Oh? You changed up the Mist Cave return trip? How interesting! It makes it a lot better than just running from every low-level foe.

It is nice to see the Mysidia foes here, it gives a sense of internal consistency and the new treasures are a nice touch as well! Was this the new addition you were referring to? Did you just use a copy of the Mist Cave map, or did you hack someway to load a different encounter table?

Yup! That was the big reveal. It's a different map, but with the same grid index as the first Mist Cave.

Ah, the Battle Axe? That is really, really good for it to be free! Are you sure that's such a good idea though?

Well, when I made the treasures, I wasn't sure how the game would handle the chests where it shared a map index with the original Mist Cave. I was hoping it would work like the South Figaro cave in FF6, but it doesn't. I might scale back the treasures.

I half expected another boss there at the end of it! I recall you mentioning a while back that you wanted the Roc to be turned into a boss like foe, with the abundance of Ravens and Cockatrices I'm a little surprised the Roc wasn't at the end of it.

I think the Roc is guarding a chest in Cave Magnes.

"being posessed by a monster!" Possessed is still spelled wrong.

Fixed.

I really like the new Chakra, it is very useful without being overpowered.

Glad to hear it. How are you finding Dash in terms of usefulness?

Oh boy... tell me there's nothing wrong with my ROM this time... So I decided to see if anything was changed with the King SALOON, didn't appear so, but as I walked to make my way to the back room I was immediately warped to the traditional default map warp.

Thankfully I had saved before going into Troia.

Lumiere is correct. That's been fixed on mine.

[Lumiere77]

The Roc is in Cave Magnes, I ran into it when I was in there. I feel the early harps are like Edge's late katanas, decent damage but lacking something. Even in the back Edward deals decent damage early on with Daggers and the Iron Ring boosts his def enough that he can sit in the front starting at Mt Hobs and ending when you get Cid.

Edit:Decided to take a break from a full party run and try out a solo run. Got rid of everybody(nice item from Edge but, it's labeled DoNotUse as an item and it casts Ramuh and seemingly vanishes) and decided to level grind because I knew anything below 50 is suicide. I tried it at 60 but, Golbez's Darkholy dealt 5500 dmg so I had to level up to 70 in order to not be one-shot. At 70 I barely made it, thank god for the Blood Sword + Berserk and then I proceeded down to Zeromus. I stopped by the Deathbringer and Ribbons(after I fought I realized it didn't need the ribbons or deathbringer) and fled every encounter. The message before fighting Zemus was nice and Zeromus was a long fight because Blood only does so much damage and Black Hole removes Berserk reducing Cecil's damage. I did kill him but, it took 15-20 minutes( Kain's ending is bugged, there are 2 Kains one acting normally and one just standing in front of Bahamut). Paladin Cecil probably can finish the game at an earlier level because he has Holy resistance though many Elixirs will be required.

[Grimoire LD]

How does it stand up to the harp build? Does the extra speed from the knife and the extra defense from the ring make a significant difference? Should I drop the price of the blind knife a little?

Lacks slight survivability in the front row, but the slightly extra speed does let him Sing a little faster. Honestly they're both viable and for the time you have him one option isn't better than the other.

Well, when I made the treasures, I wasn't sure how the game would handle the chests where it shared a map index with the original Mist Cave. I was hoping it would work like the South Figaro cave in FF6, but it doesn't. I might scale back the treasures.

Have you tried to make the new Mist Cave share the same NPC Index? If such is done Chests *might* be affected.

Glad to hear it. How are you finding Dash in terms of usefulness?

As of yet, I haven't used it. There's not been an immediate pressing need so to speak, not to mention since he has such high HP to use it without a Hi-Potion on hand it seems needlessly risky. It will be useful in Tower of Zot/Babil though, I imagine.

Lumiere is correct. That's been fixed on mine.

Whew, had me scared there!

[Pinkpuff]

Edit:Decided to take a break from a full party run and try out a solo run. Got rid of everybody(nice item from Edge but, it's labeled DoNotUse as an item and it casts Ramuh and seemingly vanishes)

You got an item called "Do Not Use" and you used it?? Remind me not to take you anywhere with fire alarms ^_^

Anyway, the item you should have gotten is called "TIme-Egg". The patch has been corrected.

and decided to level grind because I knew anything below 50 is suicide. I tried it at 60 but, Golbez's Darkholy dealt 5500 dmg so I had to level up to 70 in order to not be one-shot. At 70 I barely made it, thank god for the Blood Sword + Berserk and then I proceeded down to Zeromus.

I just made the Aegis shield resist Dark, so that should help with this.

I stopped by the Deathbringer and Ribbons(after I fought I realized it didn't need the ribbons or deathbringer) and fled every encounter. The message before fighting Zemus was nice

What message? Do you mean the one before the Golbez fight? I don't remember putting in a special message for Zemus.

and Zeromus was a long fight because Blood only does so much damage and Black Hole removes Berserk reducing Cecil's damage. I did kill him but, it took 15-20 minutes( Kain's ending is bugged, there are 2 Kains one acting normally and one just standing in front of Bahamut).

The Kain bug should be fixed now.

Paladin Cecil probably can finish the game at an earlier level because he has Holy resistance though many Elixirs will be required.

He also gets Cure 4.

Have you tried to make the new Mist Cave share the same NPC Index? If such is done Chests *might* be affected.

It does have the same NPC index. Didn't affect it.

As of yet, I haven't used it. There's not been an immediate pressing need so to speak, not to mention since he has such high HP to use it without a Hi-Potion on hand it seems needlessly risky. It will be useful in Tower of Zot/Babil though, I imagine.

Would it be too good if it took half his (current) HP in self-damage rather than bringing him to 1? Is that even a possibility, Chillyfeez?

Anyway, the patch has been updated with those fixes:
http://timecave.net/ff4kster/crisis/crisis.ips

[Grimoire LD]

Would it be too good if it took half his (current) HP in self-damage rather than bringing him to 1? Is that even a possibility, Chillyfeez?

Anyway, the patch has been updated with those fixes:
http://timecave.net/ff4kster/crisis/crisis.ips

I don't think it will be a problem later on. You're only bereft of good healing for two dungeons or so (Hi-Potions sold at Eblan will make it more usable). I didn't think the intention was to be using it haphazardly before you had a distinctive means to heal Cid. So I wouldn't touch it, especially if you choose to get him back in your party in the end-game. At Level 50 he'll have around 3975 HP which is a more than respectable attack and it would only take two X-Potions to bring him back up.

As for the Blind Knife, I think the price is fine, as it was its original price, I believe. It's more useful than the Mythril Knife was, but perhaps it could use maybe 5 or 6 more Attack, since it is still hardly an upgrade from the original Knife and it would only really see use in Edward's hands since the Blind Knife's power was decreased to be that of the old Mythril Knife

[Lumiere77]

I used the DoNotUse item just to see if it would crash or it's usable. Edge gave me a "Time Egg" but I got the DoNotUse item. The message before Zemus said Time Egg Shattered(I think).

Aegis resisting Dark makes it perfect for a solo run.

Late game, Dash's 1 HP isn't too bad because you have much better healing and Arise is available at one point or another(L20~,L53,L66) if he dies afterwards.

If Blind is increased to at least 21 it will be similar to Dagger=Dreamer(3 atk difference). Once you get the Fairy Harp, the extra defense doesn't matter vs random encounters(Scarmiglione tells Edward to grab a ring)

[Grimoire LD]

So I stopped off at Agart and I rather like the new text, the hints to the Floatstone are good and the extra lore bits like the Tower of Babil being built by an ancient civilization that went to the moon is an interesting little plot twist. The Air Knife being sold here now is clearly the replacement for the Blind Knife, which leads me to wonder what replaced the Air Knife and if I will find it...

I did notice the defunct hints to the Magma Key are still all over the Agart Inn though.

Well, I'm doing something different with Edge this time, I'm having him as a Mage rather than a Fighter. rioritizing speed and Throw over his great attack. It should be an interesting experiment.

And made it through Eblan. I'll pick up from here later on.

[Pinkpuff]

I used the DoNotUse item just to see if it would crash or it's usable. Edge gave me a "Time Egg" but I got the DoNotUse item. The message before Zemus said Time Egg Shattered(I think).

Right. I took that out soon afterwards. It occurred to me that I was checking whether the player received the Time-Egg, not whether they still have it. And as far as I know, there is no way to check for that, so I just have the final battle silently remove the item from your inventory at the beginning.

Late game, Dash's 1 HP isn't too bad because you have much better healing and Arise is available at one point or another(L20~,L53,L66) if he dies afterwards.

Good point. I will leave it alone.

If Blind is increased to at least 21 it will be similar to Dagger=Dreamer(3 atk difference). Once you get the Fairy Harp, the extra defense doesn't matter vs random encounters(Scarmiglione tells Edward to grab a ring)

Fixed. I also made the Murakumo Bolt instead of Air now that the Air knife is something you're likely to already have when you get it, so it'll be less redundant.

I did notice the defunct hints to the Magma Key are still all over the Agart Inn though.

Good catch! I'll get right on it. Agart will be hint city.

Well, I'm doing something different with Edge this time, I'm having him as a Mage rather than a Fighter. rioritizing speed and Throw over his great attack. It should be an interesting experiment.

And made it through Eblan. I'll pick up from here later on.

I'm eager to hear how it goes. Eblan gives you a pretty interesting decision in this game. Rydia goes in back of course, but who else? It's up to you! Everyone now has something they can do from the back to varying degrees of effectiveness. Stock up on Phoenix downs and Potions and have Cid turbo Dash everything? Spam Dark Wave and black effects with DK? Kick and Chakra-tank with Yang? Edge still has the most options with Black attacks, Throw, and Steal, but at least other builds are reasonable now. Oh, on that note, I've also swapped Cecil's Drain and Berserk, so he now learns Drain at 24 and Berserk at 30. This is so Drain won't have to compete as much with the Blood Sword.

[Lumiere77]

Quote from: Lumiere77 on Today at 02:40:20 PM

    If Blind is increased to at least 21 it will be similar to Dagger=Dreamer(3 atk difference). Once you get the Fairy Harp, the extra defense doesn't matter vs random encounters(Scarmiglione tells Edward to grab a ring)

Fixed. I also made the Murakumo Bolt instead of Air now that the Air knife is something you're likely to already have when you get it, so it'll be less redundant.

Bolt will help more than Air especially if you go to the Elbana Caves afterwards. Also the Muramasa's drain deals between 500~1000 damage with 60 wis vs moon enemies which is pretty good considering Edge's agi & low hp. Cecil's with 23 wis does a little less so I think drain depends on the enemy.

I've also swapped Cecil's Drain and Berserk, so he now learns Drain at 24 and Berserk at 30

Getting Drain earlier will work out because at that point Cecil can be in the back with some Wis+ gear and use it against enemies if he has nothing else to do. Without a dedicated healer, Berserk isn't something I like to use too much it getting it at 30 feels right.

Edit: Tried Mt Ordeals with the new patch and the rapid-fire Bios were quite a surprise! Good thing the Aegis shld now resists dark or Cecil would have to be in the upper 50s to survive the trip to the top. Are you going to use Cry for anything? I noticed that it's the only ability that isn't used at all

[Pinkpuff]

Edit: Tried Mt Ordeals with the new patch and the rapid-fire Bios were quite a surprise! Good thing the Aegis shld now resists dark or Cecil would have to be in the upper 50s to survive the trip to the top. Are you going to use Cry for anything? I noticed that it's the only ability that isn't used at all

Firebombs are the key to the Mt. Ordeals trials. ^_^

I was toying with Cry at one point, but never did anything with it after. Why, did you have any ideas regarding it?

Anyway, patch updated again (should be compatible with your saves):
http://timecave.net/ff4kster/crisis/crisis.ips

Agart is now hintsville. You should definitely talk to the well guy now 
As well as everyone in the Inn. Also you should check out the new Agart item shop. Hi-Potions!

[Lumiere77]

Firebombs are the key to the Mt. Ordeals trials. ^_^

I should've thought about them, I wound up using the Flame Sword and a lot of X-potions

Agart is now hintsville. You should definitely talk to the well guy now 
As well as everyone in the Inn. Also you should check out the new Agart item shop. Hi-Potions!

A device that stops time? - No brainer
A way to undo Twin Petrify? - Is this a reference to the ending or is this a new side quest?
I'd just hurl my meat cleaver! - I thought the Cleaver was a dummy item like Rydia's summon items...
The addition of Hi Potions will help with the higher damage that Elban introduces also it'll suggest using Dash more.

I was toying with Cry at one point, but never did anything with it after. Why, did you have any ideas regarding it?

I was thinking about a magic defense debuff. Another idea I had was to forget about Cry and give Cecil a way to cast Curse because the Ancient Sword gets outclassed fairly quickly and Curse reduces atk & def by 1/2 when it connects.

[Pinkpuff]

The twins can't be cured except in the ending. The line references that but in a way that teases the player.

The cleaver is obtainable. It can be thrown for 9999.

Would a magic defense debuff do anything? Who would get it?

Curse would be an interesting black spell but it would have to replace an existing one and I can't think of any good candidates.

[Lumiere77]

The cleaver is obtainable. It can be thrown for 9999.

Interesting, on a lower level run it would be devastating.

Curse would be an interesting black spell but it would have to replace an existing one and I can't think of any good candidates.

The only spell I can think of is Charm. Thanks to the Chaos Blade being buffed, the Charm spell is redundant(you get it way after the Chaos Blade anyway) and Curse will certainly see use against the optional bosses and a few of the moon bosses.

I'm actually not sure if a magic debuff would anything. I was just thinking of a way for mages to do more than 1 dmg vs bosses with very high magic defense(it would also allow you to raise M def on enemies).  I was thinking about DK Cecil as a user as an addition to his debilitating aspect of a DK.