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So I got a ticket....
« on: February 05, 2010, 08:31:29 PM »
...a few weeks ago. The charge? Failure to move over for an officer. He had someone pulled over in the shoulder, and I didn't move to the left lane. That part we agree on. However, the reason I didn't move over was that there was a truck in the left lane, essentially blocking my lane change.

Before I go on, let me just say, don't turn this into an "I hate pigs" topic. It's not like that at all...

But I feel like the situation of my not moving over is justifiable, since there was a vehicle in the other lane, and I did slow down to try to let him pass so I could merge, but he just slowed down as well, and it kept me from moving over before I passed the cops. And, because of that, I think I'm gonna fight it.

So, has anyone here ever fought a traffic ticket and won? Also, has anyone ever gotten or known someone who got a ticket for this? I know it's a law, but it's so obscure, and it seems very prone to... er... opinon? (for lack of a better word). The cop told me that I "had plenty of time to get over," but that's what I dispute.

I am planning to fight the ticket, but I really don't know what sort of chance I have.
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Re: So I got a ticket....
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2010, 08:56:16 PM »
Clearly, you should have slammed on the brakes before reaching the pulled over car, even if it meant causing a 12-car pileup behind you.  The ticket was entirely justified.  Cops rule!

I'd never heard of the violation before, though can understand why it'd be prohibited/discouraged.  Is it a law nationwide, or just in some states?

It could be tricky to fight, unless you find a witness who can attest to the truck being in the left lane, or the cop himself admits seeing it there.  Was there any (non-toddler) passenger in your car?

I've gotten 2 speeding tickets (and one "warning" where I was barely over the limit), had no grounds to fight either, and didn't fight either.

How'd you get "apprehended", anyway?  Was there a second police car to ticket you, or did the first cop leave the pulled over motorist to chase you?

Anyway, quite weird.  I believe your account, and wish you luck.

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Re: So I got a ticket....
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2010, 09:09:49 PM »
As always, assassin, you are quite astute.

I'm no legal expert, but from my research, it appears that this is a law on the books in 40/50 states, so while not universal, it almost is...

I did have one non-toddler passenger (as well as my 5-year old). My adult passenger can attest to the fact that the pickup truck was in the left lane, but I don't think the cop can/would dispute that. I also was following another vehicle (my girlfriend's) and she and her passenger could possibly be eyewitnesses.

And yes, you picked up on an important detail: there were actually two cop cars; one was tending to another pulled-over motorist, and this one was apparently there merely to catch someone doing my violation. Seems fishy to me...

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Re: So I got a ticket....
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2010, 09:15:53 PM »
^ It does seem odd.  If safety was the prime concern, the second cop car should have just stopped, put its hazards on and an orange cone down, and blocked the right lane entirely.

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Re: So I got a ticket....
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2010, 09:18:25 PM »
Sounds an awful lot like entrapment, but the officers would have an easy answer for that prepared already. Regardless, I believe you do have a legal leg to stand on to fight this ticket. At this point, it would become the cop's word against yours and your passenger. Did you slow down to at least 20mph under the limit before passing them? In at least a few states where I've seen that law posted, it's either/or. either move over, or (if unable to move) slow down.

It may depend on what mood your judge is in. Worst that can happen is you lose and have to pay the fine, best is they throw the case (and the ticket) out. Middle ground may be a reduced fine.

Be aware, I'm no lawyer, not even close, so legal advice from me may be full of total BS.

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Re: So I got a ticket....
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2010, 09:34:02 PM »
Again, more astute-ness.  :happy:

I didn't even know the law existed (it was passed in 2007 apparently), but of course, I didn't tell him that.
Of course, ignorance is no excuse.  However, I have researched it (and I wouldn't think I could win but for that...), and the way I'm reading this law, it gives me the option to simply slow down if it is unsafe to change lanes (which is what I'm saying). I did slow down, to 35 (posted speed limit there was 65), however, the law here makes no reference to a numerical amount, simply stating that it should be slow enough that you can be prepared to stop if necessary (which I think 35 would qualify).

I have spoken with the officer, and he doesn't think I slowed down that much. I'm not sure his basis for that assertion, except that he said he didn't see brake lights when I passed him. That seems like a shaky argument to me (I generally coast to slow down due to the fact that I drive a standard transmission car). Anyway, it boils down to my word against his, which is bad news in court generally...

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Here's the actual text of the law in question. Note that I had to find this myself; the ticket makes no reference to a law that I'm charged under. Emphasis mine, of course:

§ 63-3-809. Procedure upon approach of authorized emergency vehicles; duty of driver of emergency vehicle.
   
 

      
   

(1)  Upon the immediate approach of an authorized emergency vehicle, when the driver is giving audible signal by siren, exhaust whistle, or bell, the driver of every other vehicle shall yield the right-of-way and shall immediately drive to a position parallel to, and as close as possible to, the right-hand edge or curb of the roadway clear of any intersection and shall stop and remain in such position until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed, except when otherwise directed by a law enforcement officer.
   
      
   

(2)  Upon approaching a stationary authorized emergency vehicle, when such vehicle is giving a signal by use of flashing, blinking, oscillating or rotating lights, as authorized under Section 63-7-19, a person who drives an approaching vehicle shall:
   
      
   

(a) Proceeding with due caution, yield the right-of-way by making a lane change into a lane not adjacent to that of the authorized emergency vehicle, if possible with due regard to safety and traffic conditions, if on a roadway having at least four (4) lanes with not less than two (2) lanes proceeding in the same direction as the approaching vehicle; or
   
      
   

(b) Proceeding with due caution, reduce the speed of the vehicle, maintaining a safe speed for road conditions and being prepared to stop, if changing lanes would be impossible or unsafe.

   
      
   

(3)  Upon approaching a stationary recovery vehicle or a highway maintenance vehicle, when such vehicle is giving a signal by use of authorized flashing lights, a person who drives an approaching vehicle shall:
   
      
   

(a) Proceeding with due caution, yield the right-of-way by making a lane change into a lane not adjacent to the stationary recovery vehicle or the highway maintenance vehicle, if possible with due regard to safety and traffic conditions, if on a roadway having at least four (4) lanes with not less than two (2) lanes proceeding in the same direction as the approaching vehicle; or
   
      
   

(b) Proceeding with due caution, reduce the speed of the vehicle, maintaining a safe speed for road conditions and being prepared to stop, if changing lanes would be impossible or unsafe.
   
      
   

(4)  For purposes of this section, unless the context otherwise clearly requires:
   
      
   

(a) "Highway maintenance vehicle" means a vehicle used for the maintenance of highways and roadways in this state and is:
   
      
   

(i) Owned or operated by the Department of Transportation, a county, a municipality or other political subdivision of this state; or
   
      
   

(ii) Owned or operated by a contractor under contract with the Department of Transportation, a county, a municipality or other political subdivision of this state;
   
      
   

(b) "Recovery vehicle" means a truck that is specifically designed for towing a disabled vehicle or a combination of vehicles.
   
      
   

(5)  A violation of this section is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine:
   
      
   

(a) Of not more than Two Hundred Fifty Dollars ($250.00); or
   
      
   

(b) Of not more than One Thousand Dollars ($1,000.00) if violation of this section results in:
   
      
   

(i) Property damage to the emergency vehicle, highway maintenance vehicle or recovery vehicle; or
   
      
   

(ii) Bodily injury to the driver or a passenger of any such vehicle.
   
      
   

(6)  This section shall not operate to relieve the driver of an authorized emergency vehicle, a recovery vehicle or a highway maintenance vehicle from the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all persons using the roadway.
   
 

      
   

Sources: Codes, 1942, § 8199; Laws,  1938, ch. 200; Laws, 2007, ch. 315, § 1, eff from and after July 1, 2007.
   
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Re: So I got a ticket....
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2010, 10:17:19 PM »
I hear if the officer to gave the ticket doesn't show up, it's automatically won. :banonsmash:

My brothers friend has fought every ticket. He likes to waste other peoples times and the only real consequence is getting his ticket ripped up. :cycle: :cycle: :cycle:

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Re: So I got a ticket....
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2010, 11:24:32 PM »
It's worth arguing, if only to get out of the ticket. It's really a bonus if the officer doesn't show up.
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Re: So I got a ticket....
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2010, 11:57:34 PM »
then again, i suppose it's possible the second officer was there for backup, perhaps if the pulled over motorist was deemed suspicious or something.

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Re: So I got a ticket....
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2010, 02:22:35 PM »
He told me that he could suggest that the ticket be "remanded", although I'm not sure he's using that word correctly. He said it means that I wouldn't have to pay the fine, but if I got another ticket I would have to pay both.


I say, no, I'm not guilty....
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Re: So I got a ticket....
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2010, 08:10:38 PM »
I still agree with fighting this one. The officer may honestly think you did wrong, you honestly think you didn't. Let someone else compare the stories, facts presented, eyewitness testimonies, and determine whether you owe a fine or whether they need to give more random drug tests to their officers.

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Re: So I got a ticket....
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2010, 09:08:39 PM »
 :bump: UPDATE:
I went to my initial appearance today. Took about an hour and a half of sitting there, just to tell the judge "Not guilty."

Next court date: March 16th.
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Re: So I got a ticket....
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2010, 04:01:45 AM »
I'm sorry to hear that you got caught in a sucky no-win situation like that. You have more patience with the legal system than I do... I was pulled over here in Oregon in August of 2008 for exactly the same thing. It was a somewhat new law here at the time. Basically exactly the same situation, one cop pulls people over for speeding with another one hiding in a nearby driver to catch people who pass the first one. In my case, I had room to pull over, and I didn't slow down, though I did carefully look to ensure that I wouldn't hit anyone or anything (the cop was in his car, or on the other side of it). I did not dispute the charge, but I did go to court and they lowered the ticket to the lowest minimum, which was something like $180. The courtroom experience was interesting. I was the very last person to go up after waiting an hour and a half. The judge gave every single person in that room the lowest possible fine. It's like you get rewarded for just showing up.

Anyways, good luck in fighting the charge, and let us know how it turns out. At the very least, I bet neither you nor I will ever make the same mistake again, so, in a way, the law is working :/
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Re: So I got a ticket....
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2010, 09:09:05 PM »
I sent the prosecutor a "Motion for discovery" today. I'm no lawyer, so I'm sure my form looks quite amateurish, but oh well. For those who, like me before this incident, don't know what that means, it means that he has to share with me any evidence that he has (provided that I asked for the right things). I asked for quite a lot of things, so if he has anything at all, I should get to see it before trial.

I'll try to remember to update this if there are any developments.
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Re: So I got a ticket....
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2010, 08:52:49 PM »
Well, I lost.

I probably didn't present my case well. I can think of lots of things I should have said, but didn't. Anyway, the court seemed very one-sided, so I'm not sure if it would've mattered.
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