There are two lines missing there, when they did the translation they accidentally used string terminators ($00) instead of linebreaks ($01) so the other lines are never shown. What it was supposed to be:
To fix it go to headered offsets 0x0DC01 and 0xDC0D and change the $00 bytes to $01.
So why was this never caught during development? Chances are it's because two-handed weapons are grayed out when you have a shield equipped, the testers probably never even thought to try equipping one of these weapons without removing the shield first. I'm guessing two-handed weapons aren't supposed to be grayed out when you have a shield equipped, you'd try to equip the weapon and get this message.
If anyone's curious about the odd indentation, that's because it's identical to the Japanese version:
Had someone actually stumbled onto this string before release the linebreaks probably would've been fixed and the text centered properly.
Interestingly there is a similar string found with the rest of the equipment menu text in the GBA version, it is never used though. It may be a leftover from the WSC version, if anyone has a save in that with a two-handed weapon handy take a look and see.
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Deathlike2 on June 15, 2008, 01:32:01 AM
There are two lines missing there, when they did the translation they accidentally used string terminators ($00) instead of linebreaks ($01) so the other lines are never shown. What it was supposed to be:
To fix it go to headered offsets 0x0DC01 and 0xDC0D and change the $00 bytes to $01.
So why was this never caught during development? Chances are it's because two-handed weapons are grayed out when you have a shield equipped, the testers probably never even thought to try equipping one of these weapons without removing the shield first. I'm guessing two-handed weapons aren't supposed to be grayed out when you have a shield equipped, you'd try to equip the weapon and get this message.
I never really thought too much about it, but my only guess was that it was a pain in the ass to add more code to the equipment highlighting... and/or it would confuse people. Remember this was done way before FF4A (which visualizes this more gracefully).
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If anyone's curious about the odd indentation, that's because it's identical to the Japanese version:
Had someone actually stumbled onto this string before release the linebreaks probably would've been fixed and the text centered properly.
I'm not sure if that's fixed in FF4ET, but probably not.
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Interestingly there is a similar string found with the rest of the equipment menu text in the GBA version, it is never used though. It may be a leftover from the WSC version, if anyone has a save in that with a two-handed weapon handy take a look and see.
Bad porters, bad!
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 15, 2008, 01:41:48 AM
Considering it's fine in the Japanese version, I'm sure it's fine in Easy Type.
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Phoenix on June 15, 2008, 01:43:36 AM
Thanks for the offsets. I was going to look for those before I finished my hack, but hadn't gotten around to it yet. I had never noticed that the items were grayed out when you had a shield equipped. I think I ran into this message when I was playing around with the two-handed weapons, and I don't remember the weapon being grayed out, but I can't remember the circumstances. Any other times this message is displayed?
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Deathlike2 on June 15, 2008, 01:46:51 AM
Considering it's fine in the Japanese version, I'm sure it's fine in Easy Type.
Well, the oversight carried over to FF2US v1.1, so go figure.
The message comes up for every 2-handed weapon, regardless of it being equipable.
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 15, 2008, 01:54:22 AM
It's also displayed when you try to equip a shield with a two-handed weapon equipped. I'm currently using "Equip this using both hands" in my hack, but that doesn't work too good when you try to equip a shield. In fact, I can't think of anything that works well in both circumstances, and I've already hacked the window positioning to my liking (It is now all on one line) so I don't think I'll bother changing it.
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Deathlike2 on June 15, 2008, 02:02:29 AM
I can't recall if this affected a bow+arrow steup (or a partial one).
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 15, 2008, 02:07:30 AM
It does, both a full setup and partial. It also doesn't care which hand you try to equip it in. Heh, the best approach might be FF4 Advance's, just blank out the text string and kill the window.
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Phoenix on June 15, 2008, 02:36:22 AM
Seems like a simple "Can't equip" would be good enough, although it wouldn't explain the reason why.
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 15, 2008, 02:37:44 AM
"Your current equipment prevents you from equipping this item."
That'll never fit in the original space. :tongue:
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Deathlike2 on June 15, 2008, 03:24:01 AM
I'd say "Requires both hands available", but that would have to apply to the magazine too! :laugh:
Ok, ok, I tried.
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 15, 2008, 03:50:59 AM
That wouldn't be too bad, but it suffers from the same problem as the one I'm using, it doesn't make any sense for a shield that only needs one hand.
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Deathlike2 on June 15, 2008, 04:00:02 AM
That wouldn't be too bad, but it suffers from the same problem as the one I'm using, it doesn't make any sense for a shield that only needs one hand.
Eh?
I'm not quite following... what situation is this for?
Try "Weapon requires both hands (available/free)".
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 15, 2008, 04:04:19 AM
If you have a two-handed weapon equipped and you try to equip a shield you'll get the same message you would if you tried to equip a two-handed weapon with a shield equipped. Anything that mentions needing both hands doesn't make sense if you're trying to equip a shield.
That said, I couldn't care less, the line I'm currently using is staying. :tongue:
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Deathlike2 on June 15, 2008, 04:05:50 AM
"Heavy weapon prevents equipping shield"
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 15, 2008, 04:06:37 AM
The same string is used for two-handed weapons and shields, therefore you need something generic like Paladin suggested.
Edit: Wait...I get it now. That Picard should have been for me, that's actually a really good suggestion. :happy:
Except this string is also used when a bow and/or arrow is equipped. Stupid string. :angry:
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Deathlike2 on June 15, 2008, 04:09:48 AM
"2-handed weapons require both hands"
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 15, 2008, 04:11:28 AM
Another good one. As I said I'm leaving my string intact even if it doesn't exactly make sense in every context.
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Deathlike2 on June 15, 2008, 04:16:37 AM
I think mine is the best/better one. :tongue: It can assume either a 2-handed weapon is selected and/or is already equipped.... I think that covers every possible case.
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 15, 2008, 04:23:12 AM
Yeah, but it doesn't fit on one line and I like the way I have mine set up right now.
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Deathlike2 on June 15, 2008, 04:28:32 AM
Couldn't you just abbreviate 2-handed to 2-hnd...?
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: vivify93 on June 15, 2008, 04:41:04 AM
"The weapon needs two hands". It not only fits in the alotted space, but it's actually a letter smaller, leading to punctuation!!! :omg:
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 15, 2008, 04:56:23 AM
"The weapon needs two hands". It not only fits in the alotted space, but it's actually a letter smaller, leading to punctuation!!! :omg:
Attempting to continue being stubborn . .. ... .... ..... ..... failed! Attempting to continue being stubborn . .. ... .... ..... ..... failed! Attempting to continue being stubborn . .. ... .... ..... ..... failed! Attempting to continue being stubborn . .. ... .... ..... ..... failed! Attempting to continue being stubborn . .. ... .... ..... ..... failed! Attempting to continue being stubborn . .. ... .... ..... ..... success!
I'll use your string but I'm changing "the" to "this." :tongue:
Edit: Bah, doesn't fit. Okay, "the" wins by default, I guess.
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Deathlike2 on June 15, 2008, 05:01:26 AM
Well, the modifier for "this" would be confusing anyways.
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 15, 2008, 05:03:37 AM
I fail to see how. :shadow:
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Deathlike2 on June 15, 2008, 05:08:59 AM
"This" could imply the shield, which couldn't be the case.
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 15, 2008, 05:12:01 AM
"This weapon?" Although, one of my friends attempt to make a shield into a weapon in FF6 when I first found FF3usME...
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Phoenix on June 15, 2008, 05:20:49 AM
I think Deathlike meant that if you had a shield it could be taken as "This weapon" when referring to whatever the character is equipped with (including Shields). I think the phrase still works -- when you have a shield equipped it refers to the weapon in the list, when you have a weapon equipped it refers to the weapon in hand.
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on June 15, 2008, 05:23:07 AM
Yeah, that's what I figured but I don't see how "The" is any better. In either case, I'm still considering just cutting the message entirely, you don't get a message when you try to equip a weapon in the wrong hand or a sword with your bow. Unless it's a two-handed sword, but that's besides the point.
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: vivify93 on June 15, 2008, 08:13:51 AM
Attempting to continue being stubborn . .. ... .... ..... ..... failed! Attempting to continue being stubborn . .. ... .... ..... ..... failed! Attempting to continue being stubborn . .. ... .... ..... ..... failed! Attempting to continue being stubborn . .. ... .... ..... ..... failed! Attempting to continue being stubborn . .. ... .... ..... ..... failed! Attempting to continue being stubborn . .. ... .... ..... ..... success!
I'll use your string but I'm changing "the" to "this." :tongue:
Edit: Bah, doesn't fit. Okay, "the" wins by default, I guess.
:wtf: :omghax: I did something right!?!? Mark the calendar! It's a fiesta!!! :scared: :whoa:
:happy: Seriously, though, this is a good day for me. One of my suggestions was accepted, and I'm singing the NicoNico Medley perfectly (..while typing this post, which may explain any missing words).
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: assassin on June 15, 2008, 10:16:03 AM
...or not to equip? That is the question!
While we're at it, can you change the "Fetching preview..." message to "Hideous preview..."? That would crack me up.
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Lenophis on June 15, 2008, 12:29:57 PM
Aren't we a bit feisty today? Back to your corners, come back out fighting. Let's get ready to rumble!
Title: Re: To equip
Post by: Phoenix on September 12, 2009, 05:46:25 PM
In case anybody wants to use it, here's my fix to this message. For a FF2us ROM with header, paste in the following data at 0DBF2: