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Enemy Making A Physical Elemental Attack...
« on: February 28, 2008, 04:10:51 PM »
Do any of them do that naturally?
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Re: Enemy Making A Physical Elemental Attack...
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2008, 04:59:54 AM »
No. It's supported by the engine though, that's how JCE made some enemies attack with the drain element in FF2usHT.

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Re: Enemy Making A Physical Elemental Attack...
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2008, 04:58:04 PM »
Is there a message displayed if the attacker inflicts float status on the target?

Also, has there been any testing of what Weak+ does as an attack by the monster? I can only imagine it increases the
damage of an enemy's elemental attack on a character that is weak vs said element... (think FireDog attacking
Cecil with a Fire elemental physical attack while he is equipping the Fire Shield).
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Re: Enemy Making A Physical Elemental Attack...
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2008, 06:13:25 AM »
Bumping this off the second page so I remember  to test it later.

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Re: Enemy Making A Physical Elemental Attack...
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2008, 04:43:55 AM »
Bumping this off the second page so I remember  to test it later.

Bump, test reminder.
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Re: Enemy Making A Physical Elemental Attack...
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2008, 06:55:58 AM »
Float has a message, D. Kind of saw that coming, it might have a real message in FF4, I only tested FF2us.

Elemental attacks and Weak+ don't seem to do any additional damage, Weak+ is probably unused by the attack damage routine.

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Re: Enemy Making A Physical Elemental Attack...
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2008, 07:05:17 AM »
Float has a message, D. Kind of saw that coming, it might have a real message in FF4, I only tested FF2us.

In theory, there shouldn't be a message for "inflicting float" if you think about it. At least they were thoughtful... if you were
able to make a quake-based healing attack or something, inflicting float would be evil.  :hmm:

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Elemental attacks and Weak+ don't seem to do any additional damage, Weak+ is probably unused by the attack damage routine.

The only method I can think of testing is this... give Cecil a Flame or Ice Shield (although, the armor version is better because you don't want Cecil to evade) and give the enemy the extra element that it is weak to (Fire for the Flame Shield, Ice for the Ice Shield). That should provide an increase of damage... in theory anyways. I don't really expect Weak+ to do anything here, but I would hope it would increase the damage output by the enemy to the target's exposed weakness.

Giving the enemy an element by itself is useless since that doesn't really change the attack power unless there's a weakness to expose..

If that's how you tested, then meh.

You know what would be worthy of testing though... give the Drain element to the enemy.. and test that against the Cursed Ring with any elemental protection. See if that Drain vs Absorb behavior applies the other way around...
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Re: Enemy Making A Physical Elemental Attack...
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2008, 07:05:52 AM »
Can Float normally be inflicted on enemies? The spell is party-only targeted, and there's no weapons/items that cast this on them, so I don't see why it would have a message at all. Probably something else that got taken out before the final cut.

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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2008, 07:07:52 AM »
Can Float normally be inflicted on enemies? The spell is party-only targeted, and there's no weapons/items that cast this on them, so I don't see why it would have a message at all. Probably something else that got taken out before the final cut.

A while ago, Dragonsbrethren posted a pic of the in-game message of inflicting toad+small, even though they are not applied to any weapon. So, even though it was never made as a weapon (as overpowered as you know it would be), those messages do exist.

Float is reflectable, believe it or not, so the answer is yes.
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Re: Enemy Making A Physical Elemental Attack...
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2008, 07:15:47 AM »
Ah, makes sense. I didn't think of that possibility.

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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2008, 07:20:21 AM »
Ah, makes sense. I didn't think of that possibility.

It is the only normal status spell that is boss-compatible.. unless the boss has Float resistance.  :wtf:

Note: Blink/Image is in a different catagory of status spells, that has no such monster resistance, like Float does.
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Re: Enemy Making A Physical Elemental Attack...
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2008, 09:09:28 AM »
I'll have to test what happens when an enemy does it... however, I found this to be interesting.

Remember how the Dark Elf is weak vs Holy physical attacks and absorbs Holy magic attacks?

Well, the same occurs with Ice Shield+Fire Armor or Fire Shield+Ice Armor combos.. although the only test was using the Icebrand as a weapon on Cecil himself.  :tongue: There was a clear damage difference (2x increase) with that combo equipped... testing the Icebrand strictly on the Fire Shield+Armor resulted in a 2x reduction of damage.. and testing the Icebrand on the Silver Shield+Armor resulted in no extra base damage. So, it does affect your characters as well. I'll have to test it with enemies... and test it with Weak+ as well and see if there's a difference.

It doesn't occur with enemy type weaponry vs enemy type armor though (as the character is obviously not of that type after all).
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Re: Enemy Making A Physical Elemental Attack...
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2008, 09:34:46 AM »
I've tested enemy attacks and they definately can handle elemental attacking. It would be interesting to say the least in a new hack.

It almost makes no sense why the game devs did not put a warning on Edward's FF4A armor or Porom's Cat Hood in terms of resistance...
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