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Am I a bad gamer?
« on: September 23, 2008, 09:14:48 PM »
Well, firstly, I'd like to say that I've been thinking for a while, and now, as the topic title implies, I'm wondering: Am I a bad gamer? I'll make a short list. But before you pass judgment, keep in mind that I love every single game I listed almost equally (Beyond the Beyond, DQIII and BoFII included).

1. I don't use actual gaming apparatus when I play video games.
In other words, I only emulate (using a keyboard). The exceptions are that my parents have a GameBoy Advance which I occasionally play Golen Sun and Golden Sun: The Lost Age on (And that's because it looks awful on a computer screen without filtering. I got the two for free from a family friend, by the way), or if I feel like buying a computer controller with money I got for a birthday or for Christmas (I've gone through three of the damn things so far... I hate GGE909 Recoil pads by Gaming-Elements :bah:). As a side note, due to my family's money problems, I can't afford to buy video games.

2. I don't play anything more advanced than PS1 games.
This is due to my family's above money problem, really. I can't afford PS3, XBOX 360, Wii, PSP, or DS, or even PS2 or XBOX. Sure, one could argue that PS2 and DS emulation is improving steadily, but I doubt my hunk o' junk could play them.

3. I only have console RPGs on my computer.
Yes, it's true. I do play the occasional Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, or a random brawler game, but I mainly have RPGs. It's not that I have anything against those types of games, it's just that they're not really my forte.

4. I only have the (more or less) well-known "classic series."
What do I mean by this? Look at my list for yourself:
Breath of Fire (GBA)
Breath of Fire III (PS1)
Breath of Fire IV (PS1)
Chrono Cross (PS1)
Chrono Trigger (SNES)
Dragon Quest I•II (SNES)
Dragon Quest IV (NES)
Dragon Quest V (SNES)
Dragon Quest VI (SNES)
Dragon Quest VII (PS1)
EarthBound (SNES)
EarthBound Zero (NES)
Final Fantasy I & II (GBA)
Final Fantasy III (NES)
Final Fantasy IV Advance (GBA)
Final Fantasy V Advance (GBA)
Final Fantasy VI Advance (GBA)
Final Fantasy VII (PS1)
Final Fantasy VIII (PS1)
Final Fantasy IX (PS1)
Legend of the Dragoon (PS1) <- The only non-series game I have. :isuck:
Lufia (SNES)
Lufia II (SNES)
Lufia III (GBC)
Secret of Mana (SNES)
Seiken Densetsu 3 (SNES)
Sword of Mana (GBA)
Tales of Destiny (PS1)
Tales of Eternia (PS1)
Tales of Phantasia (GBA)
Tales of Phantasia (PS1)
Tales of Phantasia (SNES)

You may notice some games in a series that are missing from this list, which brings me to my next point...

5. I only play the most-updated, prettiest versions of series games (ToP aside), even if it means waiting.
This is actually two points in one: I don't play any sidestory games (Yes, I know that "of Mana" is technically an FF sidestory series), such as Lufia: Ruins of Lore, Legend of Mana or Final Fantasy Mystic Quest (JCE's gonna kill me for this). I also don't really play any games that aren't in a series (Though I've been considering picking up Beyond the Beyond again, Legend of the Dragoon is currently the only exception to this, as I pointed out earlier). As for the second point, I won't play, say, Dragon Quest III for the GBC or NES as I know that the SNES version is almost done being translated. I also won't play the original Breath of Fire II knowing that Ryusui's 1/4 way to being done.
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Re: Am I a bad gamer?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2008, 09:22:26 PM »
Short answer: No

Long answer: Does it matter?

If you want a bad gamer, you can find them @ Gamefaqs.

A true bad gamer is one that does the following:

1) RTFM is not in their vocabulary.

2) Even if it's proven as a fact or junk, they believe a random rumor to be truth.

3) Common sense. Really, it's that simple.
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Re: Am I a bad gamer?
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2008, 09:25:49 PM »
nitpick: "of Mana" is not a sidestory series.  SD1 was titled FFA over here to piggyback on FF1.

Anyway, once you're old enough to work and earn some money, spend a little on the game industry.

Besides that, listen to dl, he speaks truth.
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Re: Am I a bad gamer?
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2008, 10:12:20 PM »
Quote from: odditude on September 23, 2008, 09:25:49 PM
nitpick: "of Mana" is not a sidestory series.  SD1 was titled FFA over here to piggyback on FF1.

It is and it isn't. The first one was literally subtitled "Final Fantasy Sidestory" in Japan, but since that it's split off into its own universe and tried to distance itself from Final Fantasy; I never really got anywhere in Sword of Mana but I hear they even replaced the moogles in that version.

As for the question at hand, no, playing what you enjoy doesn't make you any less of a gamer. I seem to have lost interest in RPGs in the past few years, I can't get into anything new like I used to, but I still enjoy all the RPGs I've already played through.
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Re: Am I a bad gamer?
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2008, 11:56:24 PM »
i don't have much of anything to add, but i will add that i fucking hated sword of mana while i was playing it, and greatly yearned for my ffa at the same time... such a fun game.

fuck you, sword of mana! such a waste of $30.

:edit:

that's right, i'm ass Face for the day!
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Re: Am I a bad gamer?
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2008, 12:11:07 PM »
I use emulator a lot myself but only because it's faster. I've got my original SNES hooked up to my TV. In fact, it's a daily routine to have my brothers come over and play Super Mario Kart on it every day.
(Above) What's RTFM? Sorry to say I've never heard of it before. (It could turn out to be something I have heard before though... who knows?)

RPG's are great fun. I wouldn't say your a bad gamer for having fun playing games you enjoy. It would be like saying I'm a bad gamer because I don't like or play first person shooters or guitar hero games. They just aren't fun for me. I have no interest in playing them or getting good at those games.

If your looking to expand on a few games that could be fun and your open to suggestions, I could name a few non-RPG games. Personally strategy and turn based tactical games can be fun for me.

Having only played up to the PS1 generation of gaming, that's fine. Some of the best games come from SNES and a smaller percentage come from PS1. There aren't a whole lot of really good games in the PS2+ generations. There are some good games, but SNES had like 10 great games for every genre and mascot it seemed.

A few suggestions;

Metal Marines / SNES: You nuke enemy islands while protecting your own from enemies. Something like 20 levels where both your islands vary. Aside from using missiles you can also send metal marines (giant robots). Anti-missile and anti-MM buildings exist to impede each others destruction of each other's base building(s).

Super Mario Kart / SNES: A fantastic racing game with Mario characters. It invented the kart-racing genre and I feel like no game has been able to exceed it (not even other Mario Kart games).

Rock n Roll Racing / SNES: Recommended to be played only with two players to compete against each other. Single player is dull because the AI is horrendously simple even on the hardest difficulty. Fighting a friend for supremacy is the only way to go. :D

Final Fantasy Tactics / PS1: It's a turn based tactical version of Final Fantasy. It has FF5 (I think) classes like warrior, ninja, dragoon, black mage, white mage ect. Surprisingly deep strategy elements. Starts off a little slow (Chapter 1).

Twisted Metal 2 / PS1: Twisted Metal 1 is a little crude but can be almost as fun. Generally #2 is the best of the series (except TM:Black). It's a car-combat game. No racing. You drive around shooting missiles and such at enemy cars until everyone on that stage is destroyed. You go the next stage and repeat. The endings for each car really make it worth while trying to master everyone. Fun for both solo and single player.
(#3 is good too because it introduces more real world physics to the game. #4 changed up all the regular cars which was a little disappointing.)

Contra 3 / SNES: A side scrolling shoot'em'up. It's supposed to be hard but not for me. Kill everything, bosses at the end of each level.

that Mario RPG / SNES: I forget it's full name, something of the 7 stars is a sub-title. It's Mario in an RPG game. Pretty fun. It was made by Square-Enix so you know the mechanics are spot on. No Luigi (+ or -?)

If you try and like any of these games I could recommend a more. There are just a few I've played recently that weren't one your list.
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Re: Am I a bad gamer?
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2008, 01:19:43 PM »
rtfm = read the fucking manual
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Re: Am I a bad gamer?
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2008, 01:59:47 PM »
No, you're not a bad gamer. Unless you frigging hack multiplayer games with aimbots and/or consistantly pirate easily available games(In other words, downloading like The Sims 2 or something that can be found in any wal-mart/best buy/whatever), I don't think anyone's a bad gamer.

Edit: Clairified a bit of my post, as I didn't get what I meant across properly.

An occasional pirated game is just a mistake. Recently, I downloaded Lego Batman, the day it was released. I'm going to buy a copy as soon as I can(December, probably.), and just go from my burned disc to my bought one, but I won't pretend I didn't pirate it and that I didn't make a mistake.
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Re: Am I a bad gamer?
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2008, 05:32:32 PM »
Quote from: bond697 on September 24, 2008, 01:19:43 PM
rtfm = read the fucking manual

I love reading the manuals. Lots of trivia information contained inside.
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Re: Am I a bad gamer?
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2008, 08:12:28 PM »
Quote from: Deathlike2 on September 23, 2008, 09:22:26 PM
Short answer: No

Long answer: Does it matter?

If you want a bad gamer, you can find them @ Gamefaqs.

A true bad gamer is one that does the following:

1) RTFM is not in their vocabulary.

2) Even if it's proven as a fact or junk, they believe a random rumor to be truth.

3) Common sense. Really, it's that simple.
I guess you're right. Though technically, I can't RTFM due to the fact that I pirate. Arr!


Quote from: odditude on September 23, 2008, 09:25:49 PM
Anyway, once you're old enough to work and earn some money, spend a little on the game industry.
Oh, yeah, completely. I'm 15, and plan on getting a job next year so I can actually afford things.  :omg: Yay flipping greasy burgers!


Quote from: Dragonsbrethren on September 23, 2008, 10:12:20 PM
It is and it isn't. The first one was literally subtitled "Final Fantasy Sidestory" in Japan, but since that it's split off into its own universe and tried to distance itself from Final Fantasy; I never really got anywhere in Sword of Mana but I hear they even replaced the moogles in that version.

No, moogles are in Sword of Mana as a status ailment thanks to Luna's Mooglemorphosis spell. They removed Chocobos though.


Quote from: Dragonsbrethren on September 23, 2008, 10:12:20 PM
As for the question at hand, no, playing what you enjoy doesn't make you any less of a gamer. I seem to have lost interest in RPGs in the past few years, I can't get into anything new like I used to, but I still enjoy all the RPGs I've already played through.
Well, true, but I was in this mindset as basically, I pirate because I can't afford the MOAR MONEY OM NOM NOM, which to me is a poor excuse. Not to mention I pirate games that I actually own... :sad:


Quote from: bond697 on September 23, 2008, 11:56:24 PM
i don't have much of anything to add, but i will add that i fucking hated sword of mana while i was playing it, and greatly yearned for my ffa at the same time... such a fun game.

fuck you, sword of mana! such a waste of $30.

:edit:

that's right, i'm ass Face for the day!
I enjoy it. Although the motherfucking Aerolite quest can burn in Hell.


Quote from: Odbarc on September 24, 2008, 12:11:07 PM
I use emulator a lot myself but only because it's faster. I've got my original SNES hooked up to my TV. In fact, it's a daily routine to have my brothers come over and play Super Mario Kart on it every day.
(Above) What's RTFM? Sorry to say I've never heard of it before. (It could turn out to be something I have heard before though... who knows?)

RPG's are great fun. I wouldn't say your a bad gamer for having fun playing games you enjoy. It would be like saying I'm a bad gamer because I don't like or play first person shooters or guitar hero games. They just aren't fun for me. I have no interest in playing them or getting good at those games.

If your looking to expand on a few games that could be fun and your open to suggestions, I could name a few non-RPG games. Personally strategy and turn based tactical games can be fun for me.

Having only played up to the PS1 generation of gaming, that's fine. Some of the best games come from SNES and a smaller percentage come from PS1. There aren't a whole lot of really good games in the PS2+ generations. There are some good games, but SNES had like 10 great games for every genre and mascot it seemed.

A few suggestions;

Metal Marines / SNES: You nuke enemy islands while protecting your own from enemies. Something like 20 levels where both your islands vary. Aside from using missiles you can also send metal marines (giant robots). Anti-missile and anti-MM buildings exist to impede each others destruction of each other's base building(s).

Super Mario Kart / SNES: A fantastic racing game with Mario characters. It invented the kart-racing genre and I feel like no game has been able to exceed it (not even other Mario Kart games).

Rock n Roll Racing / SNES: Recommended to be played only with two players to compete against each other. Single player is dull because the AI is horrendously simple even on the hardest difficulty. Fighting a friend for supremacy is the only way to go. :D

Final Fantasy Tactics / PS1: It's a turn based tactical version of Final Fantasy. It has FF5 (I think) classes like warrior, ninja, dragoon, black mage, white mage ect. Surprisingly deep strategy elements. Starts off a little slow (Chapter 1).

Twisted Metal 2 / PS1: Twisted Metal 1 is a little crude but can be almost as fun. Generally #2 is the best of the series (except TM:Black). It's a car-combat game. No racing. You drive around shooting missiles and such at enemy cars until everyone on that stage is destroyed. You go the next stage and repeat. The endings for each car really make it worth while trying to master everyone. Fun for both solo and single player.
(#3 is good too because it introduces more real world physics to the game. #4 changed up all the regular cars which was a little disappointing.)

Contra 3 / SNES: A side scrolling shoot'em'up. It's supposed to be hard but not for me. Kill everything, bosses at the end of each level.

that Mario RPG / SNES: I forget it's full name, something of the 7 stars is a sub-title. It's Mario in an RPG game. Pretty fun. It was made by Square-Enix so you know the mechanics are spot on. No Luigi (+ or -?)

If you try and like any of these games I could recommend a more. There are just a few I've played recently that weren't one your list.
I've played FFT, but heard some really bad things and some really good things about Super Mario RPG. I s'pose I could play it though--The last two RPGs I've played that were based off of something else (Sailor Moon: Another Story, Magic Knight Rayearth) flopped horribly.


Quote from: I.S.T. on September 24, 2008, 01:59:47 PM
No, you're not a bad gamer. Unless you frigging hack multiplayer games with aimbots and/or consistantly pirate easily available games(In other words, downloading like The Sims 2 or something that can be found in any wal-mart/best buy/whatever), I don't think anyone's a bad gamer.
Err... As I said earlier, I pirate Breath of Fire III, Breath of Fire IV, Chrono Cross, Dragon Quest VII, and Lufia II while I all own them, though I don't have a working PS1... Does that count?

 :edit:
Oh, I forgot to say this last bit--Thanks for the responses, everyone. I now have confidence that I'm not a bad gamer, but I could probably be better.
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Re: Am I a bad gamer?
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2008, 09:07:18 PM »
Quote from: Deathlike2 on September 23, 2008, 09:22:26 PM

If you want a bad gamer, you can find them @ Gamefaqs.


I concur.
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Re: Am I a bad gamer?
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2008, 07:30:01 AM »
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Err... As I said earlier, I pirate Breath of Fire III, Breath of Fire IV, Chrono Cross, Dragon Quest VII, and Lufia II while I all own them, though I don't have a working PS1... Does that count?

Hell no.

You own those games, plus they've been out of print for years, Lufia 2 for over a decade.

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Re: Am I a bad gamer?
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2008, 10:31:47 AM »
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Well, true, but I was in this mindset as basically, I pirate because I can't afford the MOAR MONEY OM NOM NOM, which to me is a poor excuse. Not to mention I pirate games that I actually own... Sad
Actually, this is the only reason why emulation is legal. In case your game "breaks" your allowed to own the rom legally.

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I've played FFT, but heard some really bad things and some really good things about Super Mario RPG. I s'pose I could play it though--The last two RPGs I've played that were based off of something else (Sailor Moon: Another Story, Magic Knight Rayearth) flopped horribly.
Mario RPG is kinda short compared to a FF title but has a lot of polish. Out side of battles, you can find coins and item boxes like the side scrolling adventure except it's isometric/3D. Finding coins outside of battles earns you money so hunting these things down and jumping like a Mario everywhere is part of the game. There are many hidden treasures which require you to make Mario jump to find them outside (and inside) battle zones.
The only real annoying part is finding out the password to the pirate ship's locked door.

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If you want a bad gamer, you can find them @ Gamefaqs.
I was going to gamefaq for years. Does that make me bad? :(
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2008, 11:06:13 AM »
Quote from: Odbarc on September 25, 2008, 10:31:47 AM
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Well, true, but I was in this mindset as basically, I pirate because I can't afford the MOAR MONEY OM NOM NOM, which to me is a poor excuse. Not to mention I pirate games that I actually own... Sad
Actually, this is the only reason why emulation is legal. In case your game "breaks" your allowed to own the rom legally.

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I've played FFT, but heard some really bad things and some really good things about Super Mario RPG. I s'pose I could play it though--The last two RPGs I've played that were based off of something else (Sailor Moon: Another Story, Magic Knight Rayearth) flopped horribly.
Mario RPG is kinda short compared to a FF title but has a lot of polish. Out side of battles, you can find coins and item boxes like the side scrolling adventure except it's isometric/3D. Finding coins outside of battles earns you money so hunting these things down and jumping like a Mario everywhere is part of the game. There are many hidden treasures which require you to make Mario jump to find them outside (and inside) battle zones.
The only real annoying part is finding out the password to the pirate ship's locked door.

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If you want a bad gamer, you can find them @ Gamefaqs.
I was going to gamefaq for years. Does that make me bad? :(

That goddammed puzzle sucks so fucking much. I have no idea who thought it was a good idea, but they fail at everything in life.


EVERYTHING.

Look up the damn password if you decide to play the game, vivify93. It will save you lots of useless frustration.


also, I believe Deathlike2 is referring to fucktards like this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=954016&topic=45556966

And this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=554041&topic=45404001

I was looking for a really good example of the KH2 and Re:COM board,but it seems the topic was deleted. It was basically a prick whining about how Square-Enix should not have bothered bringing Re:COM over without KH2: Final Mix, insulting them, and other general selfish, whiny idiocy.
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