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Sprinting without Sprint Shoes?
« on: April 28, 2016, 09:58:57 PM »
I've noticed a flaw recently in my Final Fantasy 6 SNES ROM. For some reason, all of my characters are able to use the Relic effects of characters not currently in the party. And I don't mean to include any Relics that only affected the wearer, such as MithrilGlove; I'm talking about the Relics that affect the party, like the Sprint Shoes. I equipped Sprint Shoes onto one character, removed him from the party and put another character in, and somehow this new character was still able to dash. I haven't applied Master ZED's FF3dash patch.

The worst part is, the Moogle Charm is also subject to this. As long as Mog is wearing the Moogle Charm, I will never have a random encounter, regardless of whether or not Mog is in my party.

I know for a fact that this problem doesn't exist in the vanilla ROM, which means some patch is causing this to happen. The only question is, which one?
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Re: Sprinting without Sprint Shoes?
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2016, 10:42:11 PM »
Sigh...

I just tested to see if my patch is affected by this problem. It isn't. HOWEVER... My patch makes the game crash to a black screen in battle! :lame: Now I have to diagnose, too.

UPDATE: I can't recreate the problem now. I'll need to experiment further. I'm not sure what happened. As for your problem, it must not be any of the patches I'm using. Which patches do you have?

UPDATE 2: It happens when I fight Scullion. He uses a spell and the game crashes. Now I KNOW that doesn't happen on my cart. :3 I'll find out exactly what's going on.

UPDATE 3: When Scullion uses Gamma Rays, the game crashes. Holy crap. Now I guess I need to do a lot of testing to find the source of THAT.

UPDATE 4: It's definitely a bug-fix patch causing it. :(

UPDATE 5: Crap. I'm experiencing another bug where the characters will randomly lose their turns. That is, their ATBs will start over again without them taking their turns.
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Re: Sprinting without Sprint Shoes?
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2016, 11:14:36 PM »
Okay, Gamma Rays causes Condemned status. if a bug-fix is causing this, it's logical it would be one related to Condemned.

On your problem, Leet Sketcher: I don't have it, so it wouldn't be a bug-fix patch from my list. It also wouldn't be one of the following, as I have them applied as well:

255 Hours (Leviathan Mist)
Alphabetical Rage (Assassin)
Charm Blocker (Drakkhen)
Edgar Revealed (mblock129)
Gerad and Sabin (Leet Sketcher)
MP Digit Recolor: Imzogelmo
Sticky Shadow (Djibriel/Assassin)
Title Screen Hack (Yazoo)
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Re: Sprinting without Sprint Shoes?
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2016, 11:24:08 PM »
Wow, we're both having a lot of problems today... :lame:

Part of me wonders if this isn't all boiling down to save states. But I definitely do not feel like starting a new game just to find out if that's true.

I've got a ton of patches on my ROM, as well as some manual edits. I'm just debugging right now to try and figure out my problem.
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Re: Sprinting without Sprint Shoes?
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2016, 11:26:26 PM »
iirc, older versions of my Control attacks ignore MP cost fix caused problems upon Condemned's expiration.  but that's long-fixed, and was different than the initial infliction anyway.  I Condemn Thee to Hell! and Unaffected Rows (the latter in a bit of a tangent) also deal with the status, but I thought it was for start-up or formation switch only.
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Re: Sprinting without Sprint Shoes?
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2016, 11:29:36 PM »
Leet Sketcher:

I don't use save states in games with sram, so that can't be it in my case.

I have FF3usME edits in, but I've confirmed them to not be the cause. It's definitely a bug-fix (or maybe several fixes?) causing my problems. :S

Make a patch for me containing all of your changes. I'll test it for you. I have a save right at the game's end.

Assassin:

I tried removing "I Condemn Thee to Hell", but that didn't fix the problem.
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Re: Sprinting without Sprint Shoes?
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2016, 11:31:20 PM »
Two words: Magitek Madness :P
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Re: Sprinting without Sprint Shoes?
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2016, 11:36:51 PM »
I've actually found the cause of my problem: it was one of my manual hacks. I was trying to fix the problem of the "Unequip party members" function not reloading character data. You know the guy in the airship who lets you do this? If, by doing this, you remove a Green Beret from someone not in your party, then the next time you switch your party members, that person will still read as having an HP bonus. I tried to fix it, and my fix worked, but in turn caused my issue. I'll have to find a different way to fix it.

As for your problem, CV Reynolds, I'll try to help you out. If Magitek Madness is causing the issue, I'll start my investigation there.
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Re: Sprinting without Sprint Shoes?
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2016, 11:38:30 PM »
Xenovant, I think you're right! It could well be my fault, too. There's a large chance I applied the wrong patch. I know, sounds really clumsy... I'll check it now.

UPDATE: No. I don't have Side Saddle, so it can't be me. I'll see if Magitek Madness is causing the problem anyway.

UPDATE 2: I used the reverse patch for Magitek Madness and tested. The game crashed the moment I got into battle. Wha?

UPDATE 3: The reverse patch seems to be definitely screwed up.

UPDATE 4: Magitek Madness confirmed to be the cause of the crashing. The bug where the ATBs empty =  Still unsolved. :(

UPDATE 5: Okay, Edgar just became inflicted with Condemned while Wounded. He stood with 0 HP. Before the timer could tick down all the way, he collapsed again. Magitek Madness is NOT applied now. What is this?

UPDATE 6: Characters seem to switch in and out of Near Fatal oddly. Maybe related to Rock Bottom?

UPDATE 7: Rock Bottom isn't the problem. Also, I'm noticing now that while Edgar is using Jump and is in the air, Celes, Relm, and Sabin... can't fight. Their ATBs empty instead. No idea what this could be.

UPDATE 8: HOLY CRAP. Edgar, while still in the air from Jump, just used Chain Saw on Celes! He wasn't even Muddled!
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Re: Sprinting without Sprint Shoes?
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2016, 12:25:15 AM »
Wow... I hate to say it, but you might have to start from scratch.
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Re: Sprinting without Sprint Shoes?
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2016, 12:27:11 AM »
I keep my patches separate, actually, in case something like this happens. This seems to be a bug-fix patch or a bad combination of bug-fix patches. I'll need to try every one to find out, I guess.

UPDATE: And now Edgar is using Fight while he's in the air from Jump. Baffling. All I have applied are bug-fix patches, too. The Jump sound effect played while he was already Jumped as well.

UPDATE 2: Oh, so it's known: Magitek Madness is not in this build.
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Re: Sprinting without Sprint Shoes?
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2016, 12:29:19 AM »
OK, I've found one wrong byte in Magitek Madness. Do you have a hex editor? If so, go to address 13902 (13702 if your ROM is headerless) and you should see a byte 08 there. Change it to 0A.

I'll update the patch soon, but meanwhile I'm still looking for other errors.

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If your ROM is v1.1, go to 138FF or 136FF instead.
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Re: Sprinting without Sprint Shoes?
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2016, 12:32:47 AM »
I have a hex editor. They're way too useful to not have at least one. :3

Oh, and characters are standing back up with 0 HP. Whatever's causing this, it must be in a heck of a spot.

Update: Relm, standing in Near Fatal with 0 HP, was just healed from being hit by an element she can absorb. Huh.

Update 2: Ahahaha! Edgar just used Jump by himself while dead! This is too weird. Download my patch comp and try the oddity for yourself. :3
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Re: Sprinting without Sprint Shoes?
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2016, 01:17:53 AM »
OK, I've updated the patch posted in the forum as well as the reverse patch. Let me know if you're still having problems.
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Re: Sprinting without Sprint Shoes?
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2016, 01:23:42 AM »
The crashes are fixed in Magitek Madness. :3

The other weird bugs I've not yet isolated. They're definitely caused by a bug-fix patch. They're not caused by Magitek Madness, though.
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