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FF3/6 - Uses MP for Critical Hits Tied To A Magic Command
« on: August 25, 2008, 11:03:06 AM »
I'm not sure if it is properly documented (using the Bugs Guide and Algo Guide and couldn't find them).. but here it goes..

If you wield a weapon that has the MP for Critical Hits property, the MP consumption is based on a character that has a Magic command (Lore is the only other command that is considered a Magic command) and spell. Gogo's the exception to the rule since you are not forced to have him connected with said command.

The test (use the FF3USHT 1.3g beta patch to see what's happening):

Proof - http://rapidshare.com/files/140017228/FF3Hack3.7z.html

See how Gogo isn't able to critical hit? Well, it has everything to do with him/her/it not having the Magic/Lore command.

Note: This is the same issue Banon has, and most likely has nothing to do with the cosmetic MP hiding that the game enforces. If Banon had a Magic command and a spell, his default Punisher weapon would be able to dish critical hits.

If Gogo has a Magic command, but no spells (he's alone in other words), the MP consumption for critical hits won't occur.

Note: In the Tower of Fanatics, the Fight command (which gets auto-converted to Magic) is what is required to trigger the MP for Critical Hits property.
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Re: FF3/6 - Uses MP for Critical Hits Tied To A Magic Command
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2008, 12:55:34 PM »
Quote from: Deathlike2 on August 25, 2008, 11:03:06 AM
See how Gogo isn't able to critical hit? Well, it has everything to do with him/her/it not having the Magic/Lore command.
Ahhhh, this old problem. As you have no doubt deduced, MP isn't copied to the battle buffer when the battle starts if those commands aren't present. Their MP is set to 0.
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Re: FF3/6 - Uses MP for Critical Hits Tied To A Magic Command
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2008, 01:14:45 PM »
Is there a fix for that?

The only reason why I bring this up is because the FF3USHT uses it a bit.. so it needs to be fixed or change for some of the existing set of weapons.
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Re: FF3/6 - Uses MP for Critical Hits Tied To A Magic Command
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2008, 02:06:24 PM »
Quote from: Deathlike2 on August 25, 2008, 01:14:45 PM
Is there a fix for that?

The game is very specific with this behavior, so the only "fix" to the problem would be to either extend the commands necessary to include MP, or break it altogether. My Summon This patch addresses the issue by adding Summon to the list of MP-including commands.

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The only reason why I bring this up is because the FF3USHT uses it a bit.. so it needs to be fixed or change for some of the existing set of weapons.
Methinks you're putting this thread in the wrong location then... :hmm:
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Re: FF3/6 - Uses MP for Critical Hits Tied To A Magic Command
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2008, 02:12:17 PM »
Well, not really, since I didn't like this behavior before (regardless of the hack). I wanted to find a way to effectively make Gogo a tad more useful.. which was give him the Magic command outside of battle to heal, and switch it out, and Mimic Osmose when the chance comes up.

 :bah: to retaining this behavior in FF6A.
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Re: FF3/6 - Uses MP for Critical Hits Tied To A Magic Command
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2008, 01:06:40 PM »
Leno, from the readme of the hack, it doesn't sound like you've enabled Gogo's Esper option.. since the Summon command will be added onto Gogo's command list.... obviously Gogo can mime the summon, but if Gogo wanted to use the Summon command, it would be impossible to use in the first place.
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Re: FF3/6 - Uses MP for Critical Hits Tied To A Magic Command
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2008, 01:18:06 PM »
It's because Gogo doesn't have a spell block in the SRAM. Espers will relentlessly try to teach magic even if they shouldn't. I'd rather not mess with the engine in that regard.
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Re: FF3/6 - Uses MP for Critical Hits Tied To A Magic Command
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2008, 01:21:27 PM »
I don't think that affects Gogo, unless there's also specialized code that disables armor+relics from allowing Gogo to learn magic... (I'm not sure if they are tied together or if they are separate code).
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