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Self Suplex?
« on: September 12, 2016, 03:50:05 AM »
Just discovered this on YouTube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zExDUoaZPo

It seems that Sabin is able to Suplex himself...which in itself I don't mind. However, he seems to be able to throw himself up twice as fast as he would any enemy, which seems like a bug to me.
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Re: Self Suplex?
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2016, 04:00:07 AM »
why shouldn't his ascent be faster if he's not carrying anything?

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Re: Self Suplex?
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2016, 08:42:48 AM »
Yeah, being a guy who can suplex the Phantom train, the bug would be the opposite, he should ascend to the speed of the light when he is alone  :happy:

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Re: Self Suplex?
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2016, 01:39:03 PM »
I agree with all of this. It's just that there are a couple of things that occurred to me when I saw the video. The first is that perhaps the acceleration should be the same as when he's Suplexing an enemy, just for the sake of consistency. The second is that the reason he's accelerating faster is because the code allows it, i.e. the "caster", a.k.a. Sabin, moves up, and the target moves up at the same rate. When Sabin Suplexes himself, he's both the caster and the target, and that's why he ascends twice as fast. That just doesn't seem right to me. You guys are thinking more about the realism aspect.

I might make a patch to eliminate this, but it'll be classified as a tweak instead of a bugfix.

:edit: Then again, that would probably meaning writing new code to check if the attacker and the target are the same entity... Maybe I just won't bother. :sad:
« Last Edit: September 12, 2016, 02:11:37 PM by 13375K31C43R »
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Re: Self Suplex?
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2016, 04:26:42 PM »
I wouldn't bother fixing that :P

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Re: Self Suplex?
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2016, 01:10:34 AM »
There are so many bugs with Suplex, it seems almost wrong to single out just one of them for a patch.

How about Muddled Suplex of allies?...What if it's yourself? ...What if the ally is raging a non-suplexable enemy?

Personally, I'd say add the 2-liner to remove self from possible Suplex targets (at least). But the other stuff is probably just as bad.

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Re: Self Suplex?
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2016, 02:22:20 PM »
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...What if the ally is raging a non-suplexable enemy?

i too thought this was a possibility a few years back, but turns out that's among properties not copied by Rage.

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Re: Self Suplex?
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2016, 02:26:15 AM »
There I go fixing non-existent problems again.  :laugh:

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