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Library of the Ancients => Final Fantasy IV Research & Development => Topic started by: Deathlike2 on December 06, 2007, 07:42:22 AM

Title: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Deathlike2 on December 06, 2007, 07:42:22 AM
In some of the equipment you can buy at Mysidia, they are described as having certain protection against ghouls and undead.

Are these actual resistances or BS descriptions?

Note: Some of the Crystal equipment also has such descriptions, so it's not just a random question.  :tongue:

If these resistances are real though, do they also apply to FF2/4?
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Pinkpuff on December 06, 2007, 01:31:07 PM
They're actual resistances. In FF4, just as weapons can have bonus damage against certain monster races, armors can likewise have bonus defense against certain races.
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Deathlike2 on December 06, 2007, 01:34:11 PM
I presume it is a specific damage reduction factor? (50% most likely..?)

Are those that I have listed the only ones or are there more (and perhaps some that haven't been used...?)
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on December 06, 2007, 02:44:24 PM
Armor can have the following resistances: Dragons, machines, reptiles, spirits, giants, flans, mages, and undead. No armor resists machines or flans so those can be considered unused. The resistance causes a 75% reduction in damage.
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Deathlike2 on December 06, 2007, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Dragonsbrethren on December 06, 2007, 02:44:24 PM
Armor can have the following resistances: Dragons, machines, reptiles, spirits, giants, flans, mages, and undead. No armor resists machines or flans so those can be considered unused. The resistance causes a 75% reduction in damage.

Before I make my guesses, but why the hell isn't any of this documented? (I've posed similar questions prior to this, such as weapons that work against Flans.)

The "best" last known documentation of this game was Ben Siron's FF2 info from way back, but even that is simply incomplete.

Lemme guess the equipment that have the resistances...

Dragons: Kain's Dragon Armor set
Reptiles: Ice Shield/Armor? (it is that or the Fire Shield/Armor)
Spirits: Mythril Armor set plus Silver Ring (as stated by FF4A's info)
Giants: Zeus Gloves (or whatever they are called).. perhaps the Power Armband and/or Power Suit?
Mages: Rune Rings
Undead: Crystal Shield+Gloves, "Paladin equipment set"

Does that sound about right?
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on December 06, 2007, 03:20:05 PM
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Deathlike2 on December 06, 2007, 03:35:45 PM
Sounds close to what I had...  :hmm:

I will eventually follow up with a different post though.

Do you know if any of the new armor (FF4A) fall into any of the catagories?
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on December 06, 2007, 03:43:10 PM
No, I never looked into it.
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Deathlike2 on December 06, 2007, 03:46:41 PM
Ok.. is this resistance strictly against physical attacks or do they actually include spells as well?
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on December 06, 2007, 04:10:37 PM
I'm pretty sure they're just for physical attacks, spells as far as I know are always the same regardless of who's casting them.
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Deathlike2 on December 11, 2007, 04:43:29 PM
Quick weapons checklist against those types:

Dragon: Dragoon Spear, Dragon Whip, Artemis Arrows
Reptile: Ice Rod
Spirit: Legend Sword, Light Sword, Excalibur, Crystal Sword, Silver Sword, Silver Staff, Silver Knife, Silver Hammer, Avenger Sword, White Spear, White Arrows, Artemis Bow
Giant: Ogre Axe, Poison Axe, Charm Claw, Charm Arrows, Drain Sword, Drain Spear
Undead: Legend Sword, Light Sword, Excalibur, Crystal Sword, White Spear, White Arrows
Mage: Mute Knife, Mute Arrows, Elven Bow, Silence Staff, Rune Axe
Mech: Thunder Claw, Thunder Arrows, Wooden Hammer, Silver Hammer, Earth Hammer
Flan: Drain Sword, Drain Spear

Sound about right?
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on December 11, 2007, 08:25:02 PM
It's easier for me to make my own list to compare with:

Dragon: Dragoon Lance, Dragon Whip, Artemis Arrows
Machine: Thunder Claw, Silver Hammer, Earth Hammer, Wooden Hammer, Lit Arrows
Reptile: IceRod
Spirit: Ancient Sword, White Lance, Silver Knife, Silver Sword, Silver Hammer, White Arrows
Giant: Charm Claw, Drain Sword, Drain Lance, Ogre Axe, Poison Axe, Charm Arrows
Flan: Drain Sword, Drain Lance
Mage: Silence Staff, Mute Knife, RuneAxe, ElvenBow, Mute Arrows
Undead: Lilith Rod, Silver Staff, Drain Sword, Drain Lance, Crystal Sword, Dummy, White Arrows
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Deathlike2 on December 11, 2007, 08:58:56 PM
Quote from: Dragonsbrethren on December 11, 2007, 08:25:02 PM
It's easier for me to make my own list to compare with:

Dragon: Dragoon Lance, Dragon Whip, Artemis Arrows
Machine: Thunder Claw, Silver Hammer, Earth Hammer, Wooden Hammer, Lit Arrows
Reptile: IceRod
Spirit: Ancient Sword, White Lance, Silver Knife, Silver Sword, Silver Hammer, White Arrows
Giant: Charm Claw, Drain Sword, Drain Lance, Ogre Axe, Poison Axe, Charm Arrows
Flan: Drain Sword, Drain Lance
Mage: Silence Staff, Mute Knife, RuneAxe, ElvenBow, Mute Arrows
Undead: Lilith Rod, Silver Staff, Drain Sword, Drain Lance, Crystal Sword, Dummy, White Arrows

I thought the Artemis Bow+Avenger fell into the Spirit catagory...

The Dummy is what?

Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on December 11, 2007, 09:16:37 PM
A two-handed copy of the Crystal Sword that no one can equip. J2e called it "Spare" in their FF4 translation.
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Deathlike2 on December 12, 2007, 11:46:09 AM
A small FF4A info post:

Lightbringer is effective against both Undead+Spirits
Hand of the Gods (Yang's Claw) is effective against both Undead+Spirits

There are other a couple obvious documented ones, such as Apollo's Harp and Dragon Claw...
Mist Whip and Asura's Rod doesn't seem to have any extra attributes other than being Holy elemental.
I'm unsure about some of the other weapons such as Triton's Dagger, Loki's Lute,  Perseus's Bow/Arrows...

Edit: Flandango has a "description" of being a Holy Sword, but fails to even have be a Holy elemental....
Triton's Dagger could have been anti-Reptile, but it isn't...
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Deathlike2 on December 12, 2007, 01:24:27 PM
Holy shit!  :wtf: :omg:

Loki's Lute is truly the ultimate Lute... (too bad it was bugged in v1.0).

It doesn't include an elemental (which is good IMO), but it has 7 of 8 possible monster type attributes attached to it ! Too bad that doesn't include the Flan, but that's pretty damn good.

Also, Perseus's Bow/Arrows has no special attribute... and neither is Porom's specific staffs (though, I didn't do thorough testing of it).
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Pinkpuff on December 12, 2007, 03:42:36 PM
What was the bug?
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Deathlike2 on December 12, 2007, 05:24:43 PM
The FF4A Jap 1.0 version and the US version of FF4 has a number of bugs which have been corrected in the Jap 1.1 version and the Euro version.

One of these bugs are equipment attributes, specifically weapons. For instance, the Mist Whip is supposed to have the Holy attribute, but it doesn't in the buggy version. Also, the Dragon Claw is supposed to be effective against Dragons, but obviously wasn't the case in the buggy version.

Loki's Lute apparently was supposed to be much more powerful than it was... w/o the enemy attribute annihilation power, it is a mediocre "ultimate harp". With the number of enemies that have a specific enemy attribute to take advantage of (which means 4x damage for matching enemy type with the weapon), the weapon is significantly stronger that originally thought.
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Deathlike2 on December 12, 2007, 10:21:21 PM
Does the Killer Bow have any special attributes? It's FF4A description says that it increases the chance for critical hits...
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on December 12, 2007, 10:25:31 PM
Nothing except long range, the normal bow property, and the aerial property. Oddly the ElvenBow and Samurai Bow have the use as item bit, but no magic set to use. Do you have a save with either of those weapons? I'm going to see if I can get them to cast magic by giving them a spell.
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Deathlike2 on December 12, 2007, 10:27:40 PM
Elven Bow casts Shell. I don't think the Samurai Bow casts anything.
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on December 12, 2007, 10:29:47 PM
Shell explains it then, the Lunar Staff is the same way in FF2us, they took the spell away but left the use as item bit set. I'm still curious about the Samurai Bow.
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Deathlike2 on December 12, 2007, 10:37:59 PM
Quote from: Dragonsbrethren on December 12, 2007, 10:29:47 PM
Shell explains it then, the Lunar Staff is the same way in FF2us, they took the spell away but left the use as item bit set. I'm still curious about the Samurai Bow.

Really, the Samurai Bow does nothing.. unless you trace it or something. There is no effect as far as I can tell.

The only other dummied effect that isn't quite written out in FF2 is Protect via Murasame+Defense Sword.
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on December 12, 2007, 10:56:50 PM
That's not what I mean, I know it does nothing, I'm curious if setting a spell for it will work. Remember, I don't know how the game determines which weapons can use magic, setting this bit and giving them a spell usually isn't enough to get them working unless they were set up to use magic originally. If the Samurai Bow can cast a spell when I assign one to it it's proof that it was originally intended to use something. I think I have a save here with the Samurai Bow, so I'm going to test real quick.

Edit: Negative in FF2us. I'll give it a try in FF4 later.
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Deathlike2 on December 13, 2007, 02:05:24 PM
Food for thought. You can somewhat test for weapon/armor attributes/resistances by attacking yourself.

For instance, Kain will have a hard time killing himself with the Dragoon Spear while equipped with any of the Dragoon set equipped.. yet he will do more damage against himself with the White Spear.
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Deathlike2 on December 15, 2007, 11:15:47 AM
Quote from: Dragonsbrethren on December 12, 2007, 10:56:50 PM
That's not what I mean, I know it does nothing, I'm curious if setting a spell for it will work. Remember, I don't know how the game determines which weapons can use magic, setting this bit and giving them a spell usually isn't enough to get them working unless they were set up to use magic originally. If the Samurai Bow can cast a spell when I assign one to it it's proof that it was originally intended to use something. I think I have a save here with the Samurai Bow, so I'm going to test real quick.

Edit: Negative in FF2us. I'll give it a try in FF4 later.

How's this change/test going?
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Dragonsbrethren on December 15, 2007, 11:31:18 AM
Same result, doesn't do anything. I'm wondering if maybe they just set the bit by accident.
Title: Re: FF4A "Resistance" Descriptions
Post by: Deathlike2 on December 15, 2007, 12:20:27 PM
There's a good chance of that...