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Question about the Event Data?
« on: March 10, 2008, 04:52:56 PM »
I was strolling along merrily with JCE's translation of FF4j.  I edited Rydia to have the White Magic menu as an adult, and even got her to learn White spells as she levelled up.  Everything was good...

...until I saw that she had two copies of Cure 2 in her White menu.

The hell?  I had it set to teach her Cure 2 at level 13.  That one was expected, and happened when she was still a child.  However, when she came back as an adult...another copy of Cure 2 was sitting at the end of the menu.  Whaaaa?

So I searched and searched for the reason why this was happening.  I looked at JCE's document about offsets, and found one entitled "Event Data."  Well, sure, I guess Rydia joining is an event.  So I go to that offset and begin looking for "0F," which is Cure 2's hex ID.  I find this at 9399D:
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E2 04 3A
E2 04 39
E2 04 36
E2 04 37
E2 04 38
E2 02 0F
E2 03 1E
E2 03 21
E2 03 24

...OK, that explains why Rydia got Cure 2 lodged into her White menu again when she rejoined.  But, uh...she's not supposed to learn White Magic anymore.  Why is that there?  :hmm:  Was she supposed to keep her White Magic originally or...?
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Re: Question about the Event Data?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2008, 05:06:22 PM »
I guess that depends. Does Rydia ever learn Cure 2 through levels as a child? If so, then it might be an intentional oversight (more likely a "we quit caring, cause she can't use it anyway" deal), and that you'd probably be better off giving her something else to learn. Perhaps if you leave out the white magic she auto-learns as a child? *shrug*
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Re: Question about the Event Data?
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2008, 05:18:01 PM »
I made the same discovery, and I just assumed they were going to give her White Magic as an adult and decided not to. Same thing with Kain's casting stance (and I believe magic list 01), they just got cut somewhere along the way.
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Re: Question about the Event Data?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2008, 05:28:58 PM »
Someone probably figured that Rydia would be better than Rosa as a spellcaster.

Unfortunately, that's true by design.
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Re: Question about the Event Data?
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2008, 05:40:31 PM »
Not to mention that if she retained her white magic, along with Kain, you'd end up with four healers in the final party. Shame that didn't happen, because Edge could really use four healers...
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Re: Question about the Event Data?
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2008, 05:41:50 PM »
LOL, yeah, I'm sure she doesn't learn Cure 2 as a kid, so it seems like they cut it out.

$926FB-$9275D controls which spells Tellah recalls on Mt. Ordeals, if anyone's interested.  Might be nice to give him the Holy, Flare, or Quake spells in exchange for less useful fare.
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Re: Question about the Event Data?
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2008, 05:44:59 PM »
Quote from: Dragonsbrethren on March 10, 2008, 05:40:31 PM
Not to mention that if she retained her white magic, along with Kain, you'd end up with four healers in the final party. Shame that didn't happen, because Edge could really use four healers...

With the massive Will Power Kain can gain late game, sadly he could be better than Rosa magicwise. In fact, Rosa's stat growth is embarrassing to all White Mages.
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Re: Question about the Event Data?
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2008, 05:50:50 PM »
I'll probably just redirect those last four spells (Cure2, Fire2, Ice2, and Bolt2) into the Call menu and turn their IDs into Imp, Bomb, Cocatrice and Mind Flayer.  Then, I'll rewrite her spells learned by level to include the level 2 spells, and maybe I'll do something different to the items that normally allow her to learn those summons.  I'm so happy Phoenix directed me to this place :D .
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Re: Question about the Event Data?
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2008, 10:52:28 PM »
No prob. :finger: I was pointed here by JCE, so I was just paying the favor forward.
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Re: Question about the Event Data?
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2008, 11:02:03 PM »
I'm just here because I liked JCE's hacks, but I love FF4 more than probably any of the FF SNES games.

Somehow we need a "how the heck did you get here thread".
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Re: Question about the Event Data?
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2009, 03:11:34 PM »
Quote from: Edea on March 10, 2008, 04:52:56 PM
I was strolling along merrily with JCE's translation of FF4j.

Don't you mean J2e's?  :tongue:

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I find this at 9399D:

It looks like the offsets are different in FF2US (both revisions) and FF4ET...

That should be 0x939AB (headered, all SNES versions excluding FF4, 0x9399D FF4 headered)

Quote from: Edea on March 10, 2008, 05:41:50 PM
$926FB-$9275D controls which spells Tellah recalls on Mt. Ordeals, if anyone's interested.  Might be nice to give him the Holy, Flare, or Quake spells in exchange for less useful fare.

0x92712 (headered, all SNES versions excluding FF4, 0x926FB FF4 headered)

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Mega late edit for FF4 info
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Re: Question about the Event Data?
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2009, 07:46:23 AM »
Rydia learns Fire1 @ 0x91B16 (headered, FF2US 1.0, 1.1, FF4ET), 0x91AFF (headered, FF4)

Rosa learns Exit @ 0x93234 (headered, FF2US 1.0, 1.1, FF4ET), 0x93226 (headered, FF4)

Edge learns Flood and Blitz @ 0x9446B (headered, FF2US 1.0, 1.1, FF4ET), 0x9445D (headered, FF4)
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Re: Question about the Event Data?
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2009, 06:58:15 PM »
Can someone look into the event data... as to why there's an 8-byte difference between FF2 (both revisions) and FF4ET?

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Differences between the versions would be interesting.. to say the least.. there's more than a 9 byte difference from FF4 to FF4ET and FF2US for the event data...
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Re: Question about the Event Data?
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2011, 10:06:02 PM »
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Quick bump for personal reasons and minor update to a post
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Re: Question about the Event Data?
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2011, 11:39:04 PM »
I see little activity on the ff4 section in general but im still playing around with mine as well. good to know about the cure2 spell being added too because i gave her white magic menu to someone else so i dont need that happening lol...
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