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FF2/4/4A Monster Resistances
« on: December 14, 2007, 11:20:55 AM »
Can someone name the resistances/attributes of the Grudger? (blue female spirit that absorbs lightning)

For some reason the Drain Sword is doing half damage to it.. so I think it has some drain elemental resistances.. yet it doesn't stop the Drain spell...  :hmm:
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Re: FF2/4/4A Monster Resistances
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2007, 01:40:56 PM »
Absorbs, lightning, weak to holy
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Re: FF2/4/4A Monster Resistances
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2007, 01:47:04 PM »
Quote from: Pinkpuff on December 14, 2007, 01:40:56 PM
Absorbs, lightning, weak to holy

That's the info that can be gotten from the FF4A Beastiary, but that's not what I'm looking for. I get the feeling there are other bytes set that aren't displayed on such a beastiary.

For instance, the FF5A Beastiary doesn't cover the "Heavy" attribute that is usually applied to bosses, but is also applied to a number of regular enemies... none of which is displayed in the FF5A Beastiary.
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Re: FF2/4/4A Monster Resistances
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2007, 06:42:21 PM »
This is interesting, in FF2us all it has is a holy weakness. In FF4 and Easy Type it absorbs lighting and has its holy weakness.
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Re: FF2/4/4A Monster Resistances
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2007, 07:11:55 PM »
I think that sounds about right between FF2 and the other versions about this monster..

Anyways I wondering if there were Drain resistances enabled on this monster.
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Re: FF2/4/4A Monster Resistances
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2007, 07:48:00 PM »
No drain resistance.
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Re: FF2/4/4A Monster Resistances
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2007, 07:58:15 PM »
I didn't get that information from the bestiary by the way. There's a hacking tool called FF4 SMCHack that I've been using. It lets you edit spells, weapons, armor, items, monsters, monster groups... very useful.
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Re: FF2/4/4A Monster Resistances
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2007, 07:59:08 PM »
Then what would cause it to deal less damage on it then?

Unless the Drain Sword has other properties that I'm not aware of... it doesn't make sense to me how that monster takes less damage than the next closest monster (the Blademan).
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Re: FF2/4/4A Monster Resistances
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2007, 08:01:16 PM »
Quote from: Pinkpuff on December 14, 2007, 07:58:15 PM
I didn't get that information from the bestiary by the way. There's a hacking tool called FF4 SMCHack that I've been using. It lets you edit spells, weapons, armor, items, monsters, monster groups... very useful.

Zyrthofar's editor. JCE and I have an updated version, it lost item and magic editing support but gained a ton of stability, I've never had it crash or corrupt my ROM unlike the previous public release.

Edit: I was mistaken, I just took a look and it still has item editing, only magic editing was lost.
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Re: FF2/4/4A Monster Resistances
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2007, 08:04:47 PM »
Could it be that things with the absorb flag resist drain?
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Re: FF2/4/4A Monster Resistances
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2007, 08:08:11 PM »
That actually makes a lot of sense, absorb takes the place of drain in the resistance list. Does FF2us 1.0 behave the same way for this monster or just FF2us 1.1, FF4, and Easy Type?
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Re: FF2/4/4A Monster Resistances
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2007, 08:15:10 PM »
I'm pretty sure this is consistant with all versions, including FF4A. I was confused for a moment though... I'm not familiar with the "Absorbs" flag.
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Re: FF2/4/4A Monster Resistances
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2007, 08:21:33 PM »
Basically, each unit has a resistance flag called "absorbs" which, if set, causes it to absorb the elements it would otherwise be resistant to. So you can't have a unit which absorbs lightning but only resists fire. It either absorbs lightning and fire or it resists lightning and fire.
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Re: FF2/4/4A Monster Resistances
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2007, 08:25:57 PM »
Quote from: Deathlike2 on December 14, 2007, 08:15:10 PM
I'm pretty sure this is consistant with all versions, including FF4A. I was confused for a moment though... I'm not familiar with the "Absorbs" flag.

FF2us 1.0 doesn't have absorb set, so if it behaves the same way in that then the flag can't be the cause, as much sense as it makes.
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Re: FF2/4/4A Monster Resistances
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2007, 08:31:49 PM »
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FF2us doesn't have absorb set

Do you mean that the Grudger in FF2us doesn't have the absorb flag set? Because in the version I have it does...
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