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Nintendo needs to get smart
« on: December 30, 2007, 12:38:39 AM »
And I'll include other Game producing/developing companies as well.  The Virtual Console for the Nintendo Wii is not only brilliant but a freaking cash cow. 

I have 20,000 ROM files and close to 430 console games...but I still paid money to buy some of them on the Wii.  I am not the only one. 

What bugs me is the HUGE amount of popular games out there for the Genesis, Sega CD, SNES, Gameboy/GBC, NES, and others that could be released on the Wii's Virtual Console (VC).  And what's even better for Nintendo and these game developers/producers is the amount of money they can make. 

I've spent the following on games for our Wii:
Bonk's Adventure = $6.00
Bonk's Revenge = $6.00
Excite Bike = $5.00
Legend of Zelda, The: A Link to the Past = $8.00
Mario Kart 64 = $10.00
Sonic the Hedgehog = $8.00
Super Mario World = $8.00
Sword of Vermillion = $8.00

Add it up ladies and gents, we gave Nintendo and these companies $59.00 USD just to play games on our Wii in the livingroom comfortably without having to deal with the computer or hooking up old game systems.

Now, think about the money they could make with people by sticking more 3rd party games.  Imagine the money SQUEENIX could make with its SNES RPG's alone?!  SNK with all of its NeoGeo arcade classics.  Konami with just about everything.  Sega with just about everything.  It boggles the mind on why this untapped resource isn't being abused. 

Would I pay $$$ to play old SNES games on the Wii?  The answer is yes. 

Thoughts?
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Re: Nintendo needs to get smart
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2007, 12:42:10 AM »
I don't have a Wii, but Nintendo certainly could make tons more $$$.

I'm not exactly sure why they are holding up.. but for sure they have to get their emulation done right first before they release new ones.... people are usually aware of the minute differences after all.
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Re: Nintendo needs to get smart
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2007, 04:52:30 AM »
Quote from: Deathlike2 on December 30, 2007, 12:42:10 AM
I don't have a Wii, but Nintendo certainly could make tons more $$$.

I'm not exactly sure why they are holding up.. but for sure they have to get their emulation done right first before they release new ones.... people are usually aware of the minute differences after all.

They already have all the platforms emulated...therefore there is no reason technically that they don't do it. 
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Re: Nintendo needs to get smart
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2007, 06:29:52 AM »
Quote from: JCE3000GT on December 30, 2007, 04:52:30 AM
Quote from: Deathlike2 on December 30, 2007, 12:42:10 AM
I don't have a Wii, but Nintendo certainly could make tons more $$$.

I'm not exactly sure why they are holding up.. but for sure they have to get their emulation done right first before they release new ones.... people are usually aware of the minute differences after all.

They already have all the platforms emulated...therefore there is no reason technically that they don't do it. 

The emulation may not be 100% complete, though.  A lot of 8- and 16-bit games relied on peculiar hardware quirks that can be difficult to emulate.
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Re: Nintendo needs to get smart
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2007, 08:59:20 PM »
and even though they have all the systems done, you guys do realize that each game has it's own emulator right? it's not like there is an NES emulator, but there is a SMB1 emulator, and a SMB2 emulator, etc.

they certainly can make a lot of money, and they already are, I kid you not I don't even want to add up the total I've spent on the VC so far. pretty soon they are going to be releasing the first Wii Ware games which could be interesting too. I know they have a lot of stuff missing, and it's really annoying with japan getting titles that we don't like - Fire Emblem: Mystery of the Emblem, Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War, Panel de Pon (AKA Tetris Attack, more or less) and Treasure Hunter G (published  by Square)

a big reason for some of these is because they need to be translated and would have a smaller audience outside of Japan, but they should definitely release Tetris Attack, and start releasing more Square games since it seems they've already released at least one. I know they prolly won't release the final fantasy games as they are still making money on the remakes, but I can see Chrono Trigger being a really hot item, along with Secret of Mana, and Seiken Densetsu 3.

I'm sure they will too, they seem to like to release them slowly, so they'll always have "something new" each week. I'm sure they'll release Smash Bros when Brawl comes out, and the original Star Fox with the next Star Fox game on Wii, same with Animal Forest and the next Animal Crossing game.

What I would like to see is more new features, like the trading Pokemon Snap photos online, the import titles with translated menus, we could use more of this, and hopefully in time, we will.

So I see them gradually releasing more and more, so I don't see that as the problem, what the real problem is for me is the lack of memory to store these games on. If they would let you play games directly off of the SD card that would solve a lot of problems, but you can't, you can only store stuff there. I am constantly having to take one game off to fit another game on, it really is ridiculous, and I guarantee there are people who don't want to take the time, and don't buy a game where as they would have if there had been space.

Give us a memory solution nintendo.
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Re: Nintendo needs to get smart
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2007, 12:44:45 AM »
Are they doing Treasure Hunter G?  Link?
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Re: Nintendo needs to get smart
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2007, 01:16:03 PM »
Quote from: Panzer88 on December 30, 2007, 08:59:20 PM
and even though they have all the systems done, you guys do realize that each game has it's own emulator right? it's not like there is an NES emulator, but there is a SMB1 emulator, and a SMB2 emulator, etc.

Of course, it is a game emulator, not a system emulator.

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a big reason for some of these is because they need to be translated and would have a smaller audience outside of Japan, but they should definitely release Tetris Attack, and start releasing more Square games since it seems they've already released at least one. I know they prolly won't release the final fantasy games as they are still making money on the remakes, but I can see Chrono Trigger being a really hot item, along with Secret of Mana, and Seiken Densetsu 3.

All of them are more likely to get a port than just be released for the Wii.
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Re: Nintendo needs to get smart
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2007, 08:32:52 PM »
Quote from: JCE3000GT on December 31, 2007, 12:44:45 AM
Are they doing Treasure Hunter G?  Link?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Virtual_Console_games_%28Japan%29

http://www.destructoid.com/no-fair-japanese-virtual-console-gets-treasure-hunter-g-57113.phtml

http://squarehaven.com/games/Super-NES/Treasure-Hunter-G/

http://www.cubed3.com/wii/readnews.php?storyid=9129/

http://gonintendo.com/?p=30588

it was released on December 25th, 2007



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a big reason for some of these is because they need to be translated and would have a smaller audience outside of Japan, but they should definitely release Tetris Attack, and start releasing more Square games since it seems they've already released at least one. I know they prolly won't release the final fantasy games as they are still making money on the remakes, but I can see Chrono Trigger being a really hot item, along with Secret of Mana, and Seiken Densetsu 3.

All of them are more likely to get a port than just be released for the Wii.

you'd think that, and yet we still haven't seen them yet, this way they wouldn't have to update them at all, where as a port they'd almost have to update some things to warrant buying it again.
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Re: Nintendo needs to get smart
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2008, 01:22:10 AM »
Quote from: Panzer88 on December 31, 2007, 08:32:52 PM
Quote from: Deathlike2 on December 31, 2007, 01:16:03 PM
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a big reason for some of these is because they need to be translated and would have a smaller audience outside of Japan, but they should definitely release Tetris Attack, and start releasing more Square games since it seems they've already released at least one. I know they prolly won't release the final fantasy games as they are still making money on the remakes, but I can see Chrono Trigger being a really hot item, along with Secret of Mana, and Seiken Densetsu 3.

All of them are more likely to get a port than just be released for the Wii.

you'd think that, and yet we still haven't seen them yet, this way they wouldn't have to update them at all, where as a port they'd almost have to update some things to warrant buying it again.

Perhaps, but there are compelling stuff they can do to add value, instead of wasting away those games as is. I should get around to playing Treasure Hunter G.. the game was already translated by other romhackers, so  :tongue:

Secret of Mana:
1) Add more areas to explore.. mainly to fix the orb "gaps".. pretty much finish whatever it was that never made it to the fabled SNES-CD
2) Retweak the script... the SOM series is the worst at this

Chrono Trigger:
1) Add a few more story tweaks... we'd love to see wtf happened to Schala
2) Add a hard mode for New Game+, because playing the same enemies at crappy HP with uber weaponry+attacks is too stupidly easy

Seiken Densetsu 3:
1) Like the previous SD (SOM == SD2), the script needs retweaking - which also means an official English translation as well
2) Add a few more ares to explore.. mostly for leveling up late and story
3) Fix the massive bugs in the game

Once they do all that (and more), it is a gimme moneymaker.
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Re: Nintendo needs to get smart
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2008, 01:26:12 AM »
Quote from: Deathlike2 on January 01, 2008, 01:22:10 AM
Chrono Trigger:
1) Add a few more story tweaks... we'd love to see wtf happened to Schala
Play Chrono Cross, you'll find out what happens to here then. :wink:
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Re: Nintendo needs to get smart
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2008, 04:52:42 PM »
Quote from: Lenophis on January 01, 2008, 01:26:12 AM
Quote from: Deathlike2 on January 01, 2008, 01:22:10 AM
Chrono Trigger:
1) Add a few more story tweaks... we'd love to see wtf happened to Schala
Play Chrono Cross, you'll find out what happens to here then. :wink:

 :tongue:

My point was that there are compelling methods of making said ports and milk more money (as if they really needed it).
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Re: Nintendo needs to get smart
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2008, 04:51:16 AM »
oh we'll buy em, for sure, but just because they are as good games as Final Fantasy doesn't mean there is the same market for them as there was, we are but a small minority. Believe me, I've been waiting for them to be remade just as long as you have. Even the slightest modifications seem to take so much from them, but you're right if they did do that, it would do well, but would require some development. On the other hand if they just pushed it out the Virtual Console door it'd be a great precursor to an enhanced remake that everyone who just bought the VC game would then go out and buy.
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Re: Nintendo needs to get smart
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2008, 07:36:54 AM »
Homebrew channel *cough cough* inject the games they don't have
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2008, 09:57:36 PM »
Need info.
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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2008, 05:12:03 PM »
Well I did a little more digging, and injecting the rom is a little more difficult than I originally thought. But do-able. Especially for anyone familar with hex editing

Or you could save yourself the trouble the just use the emulators that are out for it now. Especially seeing as it seems a lot of games can have trouble (any game with a special chip in it).

Anyway, you need a copy of Twighlight Princess and an SD memory card to get started. You also need to have played TP atleast once so it's ticket is in the system's memory. Grab http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Twilight_Hack and put the save that corosponds to your version of TP on the stick and upload it to your wii. If you have a TP save already back it up as you can't have two of the same game saves on your system. After you've copied it to the wii's memory, you only need to grab the boot.elf/boot.dol of the program you want. I recommend http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Homebrew_Channel. Otherwise you have to run the zelda hack every time you want to load something.

There's a list of the different apps/emus/libs here. [url]http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Homebrew_apps/[url]. The libs are cool for people who want to try coding their own project or port over to the wii. There's a surprising amount of emus out already. Most were ported from the gamecube with wii additions added (like using the wiimote). Unfortunately, a lot of the downloads on the wiki are out of date and/or lead to tehskeen.com to download the newest. Which you have to register for to download. A minor nuance I guess.

I've been playing the Colosseum Chrono Trigger hack on the emu myself. I wanted to inject it directly into the VC, but to inject, you have to have a VC game that has a rom that's the same Mbit as the one you are injecting... seeing as the Colosseum hack makes CT a 48Mbit game, you can't inject it as the only two 48Mbit games were star ocean and tales of phantasia and neither of those are on the VC yet.

Once you have the apps you want, you put them in a folder on the root called apps. so if you have the snes emu, it would be root:/apps/snes/. If you make an xml file (which you should be able to find examples of on the wiki) you'll actually be able to tell what your loading on the HBC. The HBC also supports network loading of .dol/.elf files. You'll still need a mem stick to load the roms themselves though. WiiLoad is the program for sending the HBC apps.

I've been having fun playing a port of Quake that was modded to have controls like Metroid Prime 3. :D
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