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Re: NFL season (2009-2010), week 21 - playoffs?!
« Reply #180 on: February 07, 2010, 05:07:57 PM »
New Orleans vs. Indianapolis - Two very dominant teams here.  Both are #1 seeds, and both only lost games after they had clinched pretty much everything.  There's no home field advantage in the/this Super Bowl, and both teams were an impressive 7-1 on the road.  However, while both won at Miami in the regular season, New Orleans did so by 12 points (46-34), compared to Indianapolis' more modest 4-point victory (27-23).  In terms of overall record, Indy was one game better, and their playoff win against New York cements the idea that their regular season loss against the Jets was meaningless.  The Saints have the stronger and more balanced offense (but the Colts are still great), while the Colts have the stronger defense (in relative terms; we're really comparing an average defense to a bad one).  Against common opponents (where the Saints and Colts curiously had identical home/road alignments in all their regular season match-ups), I'd give the Saints a slight edge, though it's kinda inconclusive.  Both teams beat Miami and New England, but the Saints more strongly.  Both teams both lowly St. Louis, but the Colts did so with considerably more dominance.  The Saints beat the Bills and the Jets, whereas the Colts lost to both of them.  However, timing is very important here, as these 2 losses were Indianapolis' last two regular season games, when they had wrapped up everything and were resting their starters.  So not much meaning in these losses, especially given the aforementioned playoff vengeance against New York.  Then there's the Arizona Cardinals, whom Indy beat comfortably on the road in the regular season, and N'Orleans beat even more comfortably at home in the playoffs.  As stated before, comparing the teams' performances at Miami is probably more relevant than simply comparing all their common opponent match-ups.  Though both teams won, I like New Orleans' victory more, particularly their offense's ability to score points -- but their defense didn't play so hot.

Both teams have a high-powered offense, a deep and athletic receiving group, and a very talented quarterback.  Peyton Manning and Drew Brees were very similar in yards, touchdowns, and completion percentage, but Brees had a 10-point stronger QB rating, and a considerably better touchdown/interception ratio.  Then again, Manning (or arguably the Colts' o-line) was considerably better than Brees (or the Saints' o-line) at avoiding sacks, and not giving up fumbles.  Peyton Manning and the Colts have won a recent Super Bowl -- scoring 29 points against a smothering Bears' defense -- so they have an experience advantage over the Saints and Brees, and simply having been in this situation before should give them a comfort edge.  Both New Orleans and Indianapolis are dome teams accustomed to noise, and great road teams.  The Saints' Sean Payton has 2 more games of NFL experience head coaching in the playoffs than does the Colts' Jim Caldwell, though the latter has certainly proven he's quite capable.

As Deathlike2 has said, a hobbled Dwight Freeney in the Indy defense could be impactful, as he was very dominant with 13.5 regular season sacks.  On the other side, if Jeremy Shockey -- who had 569 receiving yards in the regular season -- isn't able to play at decent speed, that leaves Drew Brees one less weapon (though he still has 3 wide receivers with massive yardage, and one tight end with solid yardage).

The Saints' defense couldn't stop Minnesota from marching the field, yet they contained a potent Cardinals' offense to 14 points the week earlier.  One difference between those NFC foes was that Arizona had a weak running attack -- almost as bad as Indy's 32nd ranked one :eek:.  Now, the Colts' offensive line is better than Arizona's (and Minnesota's, based off sack stats), but the predictability that the offense will pass the ball could work against them.  The Saints, meanwhile, are very balanced offensively with their strong running game.

I agree with the consensus view of this contest being a shoot-out, but damned if I know whom to pick.  I'm favoring Indy, because their defense rose to the occasion in the playoffs, and the team has been more dominant than the Saints in recent years, including having a Super Bowl victory.  So Colts, 34-31.  (I flipped a nickel over a dozen times to "confirm" this pick, to give you an idea of my confidence here. :/ )

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Re: NFL season (2009-2010), week 21 - playoffs?!
« Reply #181 on: February 07, 2010, 08:44:26 PM »
Two words: WHO DAT

Two more words: I WIN!
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Re: NFL season (2009-2010), week 21 - playoffs?!
« Reply #182 on: February 07, 2010, 11:06:08 PM »
congrats to the New Orleans Saints, and to the humble Deathlike2. :P

hey, i guessed the Saints' score right. :P

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Re: NFL season (2009-2010), week 21 - playoffs?!
« Reply #183 on: February 07, 2010, 11:16:54 PM »
Congrats to the Saints... my disdain for the Colts is my own, but I don't think many people thought they would only score 17 points. Obviously the game really turned huge when Peyton threw a bad pass... which was really the game clincher.

The Colts all season did not really play against great QBs.. the best they faced was Brady despite the game that was dubbed "4th and 2". That defense isn't as great as one would've thought. Those close comeback games are attributed to Peyton, but also offenses that were able to score on that Colts defense early... just not late game. The Saints are not really that team to be slowed down by that..

Here's a quick look at two notable games in both the Saints and Colts seasons...

1) Pats @ Colts - 4th and 2.. remember the Pats scored 34 points on that defense. Only the Peyton Manning comeback and 4th and 2 were the real difference.

2) Pats @ Saints - The Saints just rolled... period.

3) Colts @ Dolphins - This MNF game was close... and a blitz by the fish cost them a TD and a win.

4) Saints @ Dolphins - Despite having gotten down some huge scoring hole, the Saints manage to battle back. The fish weren't bad, but they couldn't simply roll the Wildcat out all day... as they simply could not do much once the Saints got rolling.

Note: I picked the fish out because... that game was played there. Sure it's not the fish they are playing against, but it's ironic how both teams had played there in "preparation" for this game.

In sum, if you looked at the history of this year's games... you might have come to the same conclusion I did.... or most of you just "wrote off" the Saints because you didn't do some reasonable analysis.

So there!  :tongue:

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In addition.. Freeney had some impact early on.. but his name wasn't mentioned at the later half. This translated to a dramatically weaker pass rush. I mean Mathis was around... but not fast or close enough. It was impressive early game to see him... but then not surprising how it ended up to be. To win in the NFL, you have to get a pass rush to the QB with whatever the cost. You don't necessarily have to get a sack, but you have to force a throw from the guy and pray the secondary holds its end of the deal. That is the new passing NFL where your ability to stuff the run is not so important (Colts had the most yards on the ground for that game, while having the #32 ranked run game). So even if you have Adrian Peterson and a tough run defense like the Vikings do, the game is still up to the QB (Favre) to succeed (which, I don't have to remind you of).
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Re: NFL season (2009-2010), week 21 - playoffs?!
« Reply #184 on: February 08, 2010, 12:35:58 AM »
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Note: I picked the fish out because... that game was played there. Sure it's not the fish they are playing against, but it's ironic how both teams had played there in "preparation" for this game.

In sum, if you looked at the history of this year's games... you might have come to the same conclusion I did.... or most of you just "wrote off" the Saints because you didn't do some reasonable analysis.

what's with the quip at the end?  if you read my post, you'll see i covered both the common Patriots and Dolphins matchups, said the Saints relatively outperformed the Colts against these teams, and pointed out that the earlier Miami games were especially important given it's the Super Bowl location.

other factors caused me to pick the Colts, but don't pretend i didn't do "reasonable analysis".  it was a long post, but i got into the Miami comparison as early as the 4th sentence.  hard to miss it, really.

you talk as if your 5-6 overall playoff record somehow beats my 5-6 overall playoff record. :tongue:  there are no bonus points for self-congratulation.  nor are there any for detouring at the end of the post just to bash Mr. Favre again.  have you no shame, sir? :P

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Re: NFL season (2009-2010), week 21 - playoffs?!
« Reply #185 on: February 08, 2010, 09:38:09 AM »
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Note: I picked the fish out because... that game was played there. Sure it's not the fish they are playing against, but it's ironic how both teams had played there in "preparation" for this game.

In sum, if you looked at the history of this year's games... you might have come to the same conclusion I did.... or most of you just "wrote off" the Saints because you didn't do some reasonable analysis.

what's with the quip at the end?  if you read my post, you'll see i covered both the common Patriots and Dolphins matchups, said the Saints relatively outperformed the Colts against these teams, and pointed out that the earlier Miami games were especially important given it's the Super Bowl location.

other factors caused me to pick the Colts, but don't pretend i didn't do "reasonable analysis".  it was a long post, but i got into the Miami comparison as early as the 4th sentence.  hard to miss it, really.

It was more specific towards Leno. My bad for not being specific.

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you talk as if your 5-6 overall playoff record somehow beats my 5-6 overall playoff record. :tongue:  there are no bonus points for self-congratulation.  nor are there any for detouring at the end of the post just to bash Mr. Favre again.  have you no shame, sir? :P

I just like my SB pick better. :D

I have no shame in pointing out how overrated he is. However, I will give him some leeway given the state of his health after the pounding he got... which in part affected his "dumb" decision. It doesn't stop the fact that he made the throw that no QB should be making...

 :edit:

I had forgotten to mention that onside kick... as the result was great for the Saints... but it could've been the terrible call that would cost the Saints.
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Re: NFL season (2009-2010), week 21 - playoffs?!
« Reply #186 on: March 23, 2010, 03:28:14 PM »
Not to beat a dead horse too much, the NFL has adopted a new OT rule, which will probably be dubbed the Favre rule. In playoff OT, a FG on a team's first possession will allow the opposing team to get a possession. This only applies in the playoffs and it ONLY applies to the team with the very first possession (I assume onside kicks count of that team recovers it).

Unfortunately, I don't think that would've helped the Vikings too much, but it is most notable that the Vikings were 1 of 4 that voted against said rule.

Sheer irony.  :laugh:
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Re: NFL season (2009-2010), week 21 - playoffs?!
« Reply #187 on: April 04, 2010, 10:04:59 PM »
Big offseason move, Eagles trade McNabb within the division to the Redskins. :wtf: I'm still perplexed by this one.

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Re: NFL season (2009-2010), week 21 - playoffs?!
« Reply #188 on: April 05, 2010, 02:46:54 PM »
Well... it seems like the Eagles didn't have many options..

The biggest news was that there were Raiders rumors... the problem was the semi-obvious stipulation that McNabb agrees to play there. It would make no sense for the Raiders to drop everything if McNabb is not willing to play in the "Black Hole" that is Oakland.

It is also possible not many other teams were looking for a QB that is nearing the end of his prime. The Redskins are in need of a QB, so this would hold up as a stopgap solution... and Jason Campbell simply is not the answer... he was the "answer" for another coach, but Gibbs retired of course.

Unless there were other teams named.. they didn't think much of McNabb and/or McNabb didn't want to be there. This sets up for a legitimate interest in the NFC East, which had the lol team known as the Redskins (though, it's still an overrated division IMO).

An early 2nd and next year's 3rd round pick isn't bad... given the current market.
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Re: NFL season (2009-2010), week 21 - playoffs?!
« Reply #189 on: August 03, 2010, 03:20:12 PM »
FUCK YOU BRETT FAVRE!!!
He will be a Viking again, but he needs to have the decency to...

SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!11!!!!
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Re: NFL season (2009-2010), week 21 - playoffs?!
« Reply #190 on: August 05, 2010, 09:10:04 PM »
It's amazing that a little more than 5 million will do to get Brett Favre out of retirement...

Oh wait...  :angry: :bah: :lame:

Brett... just :stfu:
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