řAslickproductions.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=5f0fck550j2m4m2fpbtkj2vkm1&topic=274.msg4220e:/My Web Sites/Slick Productions - FFIV Message Board/slickproductions.org/forum/indexed3b-2.htmlslickproductions.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=5f0fck550j2m4m2fpbtkj2vkm1&topic=274.15e:/My Web Sites/Slick Productions - FFIV Message Board/slickproductions.org/forum/indexed3b-2.html.zx˘§g^˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙ČĐřöOKtext/htmlISO-8859-1gzip8:Öřö˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:00:09 GMT0ó°° ®0®P®€§˛đ®ˇ§g^˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙¨ řö Dispel - Ill Conceived?

« previous next »
Pages: « 1 2 3 »

Author Topic: Dispel - Ill Conceived?  (Read 8794 times)

Phoenix

  • FF4 Hacker
  • *
  • Posts: 456
    • View Profile
    • Phoenix Hacks
Re: Dispel - Ill Conceived?
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2008, 04:19:50 AM »
Yeah, I've considered testing those, but haven't had time yet. Maybe for my next mini-project.
Logged

odditude

  • Vargas
  • *
  • Posts: 91
    • View Profile
Re: Dispel - Ill Conceived?
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2008, 10:26:42 AM »
Quote from: Deathlike2 on March 09, 2008, 07:24:55 AM
Well, the one thing about Count that is interesting is when it is used during a back attack. The timer's text above the characters heads are reversed.
I did see this before on SNES, although I don't remember if it was FF2US or FF3US.

I'm pretty sure I got ambushed by a FatalEye, though.

More Count weirdness - In FF2US (no clue which version, I lost that cart a decade ago), if you hold down the confirm button (to keep choosing Fight), Count will reset itself upon passing 00.  This makes the battle with Plague virtually impossible to lose.
Logged

Phoenix

  • FF4 Hacker
  • *
  • Posts: 456
    • View Profile
    • Phoenix Hacks
Re: Dispel - Ill Conceived?
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2008, 06:42:48 PM »
Quote
More Count weirdness - In FF2US (no clue which version, I lost that cart a decade ago), if you hold down the confirm button (to keep choosing Fight), Count will reset itself upon passing 00.  This makes the battle with Plague virtually impossible to lose.

Didn't work for me, emulating FF2us through SNES9x.
Logged

odditude

  • Vargas
  • *
  • Posts: 91
    • View Profile
Re: Dispel - Ill Conceived?
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2008, 11:54:09 AM »
It's possible that instead of the Count resetting, it simply stayed at 00.  Either way, characters simply did not die.  In the other thread, it is mentioned that entering commands slightly alters the speed at which the countdown occurs - could this be related?

Just in case there was any confusion, what I'd do is simply hold Confirm down the entire battle.  Boring, but nobody would die.
Logged

Deathlike2

  • Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 3,538
  • I'm looking at you, bitch!
    • View Profile
Re: Dispel - Ill Conceived?
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2008, 12:01:59 PM »
I wonder if this has anything to do with battle speed though...
Logged
Working on the next Yet To Be Named FF4 "Hardtype" Hack Download Latest: v1.48

Video Demos: #1 #2 #3

Cleteromagos

  • Octomammoth
  • *
  • Posts: 22
    • View Profile
Re: Dispel - Ill Conceived?
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2008, 06:40:40 AM »
Incidentally, I’m very sure that in the SFC version of FFIV, Dispel would remove Reflect if Reflect’d off a battler of the opposing side.

Is this conviction unfounded? I did actually test this a few years back, and was fairly sure it wasn’t just the Reflective barrier wearing off … <__<;;
Logged

Deathlike2

  • Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 3,538
  • I'm looking at you, bitch!
    • View Profile
Re: Dispel - Ill Conceived?
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2008, 08:53:47 AM »
Quote from: Cleteromagos on April 27, 2008, 06:40:40 AM
Incidentally, I’m very sure that in the SFC version of FFIV, Dispel would remove Reflect if Reflect’d off a battler of the opposing side.

Is this conviction unfounded? I did actually test this a few years back, and was fairly sure it wasn’t just the Reflective barrier wearing off … <__<;;

Hmmm... I actually forgot to do the Evil/Wicked Mask test. Dispel does actually remove Wall after it is reflected. I set my ATB to a speed of 1, plus set it to Active, so the game updates a relatively slow sometimes. You're correct. This Dispel version sucks though (it should ignore Reflect so it works more like the other Dispels in other games).
Logged
Working on the next Yet To Be Named FF4 "Hardtype" Hack Download Latest: v1.48

Video Demos: #1 #2 #3

Cleteromagos

  • Octomammoth
  • *
  • Posts: 22
    • View Profile
Re: Dispel - Ill Conceived?
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2008, 11:10:08 PM »
I don’t know about that. Making Dispel ignore Reflect is silly when there’s already a mechanic for making spells hit Reflect’d foes. ;D


I just remembered I made this “proof” a while back for a discussion on GFAQs. A little-known fact is that a TIME PARADOX is caused by Yang and Edge’s presence in the same party …!
 
… :lame:

Logged

Phoenix

  • FF4 Hacker
  • *
  • Posts: 456
    • View Profile
    • Phoenix Hacks
Re: Dispel - Ill Conceived?
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2008, 07:50:30 AM »
Time Paradox? Meaning what?
Logged

Cleteromagos

  • Octomammoth
  • *
  • Posts: 22
    • View Profile
Re: Dispel - Ill Conceived?
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2008, 08:37:42 AM »
Well, normally, Yang and Edge are never in the party together. This appears to have been a file I manipulated with cheat codes. (Not a big deal, just jumping the shark, I guess.)
Logged

Odbarc

  • Hell's Rider
  • *
  • Posts: 424
  • Gender: Male
  • FF6 obsessed
    • View Profile
    • Newage3.com, a text based web game RPG I Admin.
Re: Dispel - Ill Conceived?
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2008, 04:11:10 PM »
Cheating is fun. Yang and Edge in the same party would be pretty cool. Let's get rid of Cecil. :D
Logged

Cleteromagos

  • Octomammoth
  • *
  • Posts: 22
    • View Profile
Re: Dispel - Ill Conceived?
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2008, 05:08:51 PM »
Yeah, that’s a great — wait a sec! Oooh, you’re trying to trick me! >:(

Instant game overs in scripted battles aren’t really … good. :finger:
Logged

Deathlike2

  • Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 3,538
  • I'm looking at you, bitch!
    • View Profile
Re: Dispel - Ill Conceived?
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2008, 05:30:33 PM »
Quote from: Cleteromagos on April 30, 2008, 05:08:51 PM
Instant game overs in scripted battles aren’t really … good. :finger:

I blame that solely on FuSoYa and Golbez's inability to deal 9999 Meteor damage consistantly.
Logged
Working on the next Yet To Be Named FF4 "Hardtype" Hack Download Latest: v1.48

Video Demos: #1 #2 #3

Deathlike2

  • Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 3,538
  • I'm looking at you, bitch!
    • View Profile
Re: Dispel - Ill Conceived?
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2008, 10:43:09 PM »
I'll post this although it may have been mentioned already.

Dispel does not remove Stop when Stop status is inflicted on the characters. It only gets removed if Count status is involved... and Dispel does work on enemies with Stop status... which means someone really fucked up here.
Logged
Working on the next Yet To Be Named FF4 "Hardtype" Hack Download Latest: v1.48

Video Demos: #1 #2 #3

Phoenix

  • FF4 Hacker
  • *
  • Posts: 456
    • View Profile
    • Phoenix Hacks
Re: Dispel - Ill Conceived?
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2008, 01:36:58 AM »
Quote
Well, normally, Yang and Edge are never in the party together. This appears to have been a file I manipulated with cheat codes. (Not a big deal, just jumping the shark, I guess.)

Oh, I thought Deathlike2 meant there was some sort of gameplay error. That would be  :lame: , although not too surprising.
Logged
Pages: « 1 2 3 »
« previous next »