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Re: Super Duper Stock Market Thread (Part Tres)
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2009, 10:07:05 AM »
after a big drop in March and then a big rally since, the market's slightly higher than it was for the last post.  the rally has been running out of steam, though.

i recommend buying some PFH (JC Penney Asset Trst 7.625% CABCO Trust).  it's actually "subordinated notes", which is some type of junior debt.  it's lower in the capital structure than senior debt, but higher than preferred stock and common stock, making it safer than them.  these notes pay out a juicy 95.3 cents twice a year, well into the future.  that's currently an 11.20% yield.  bottom line is, i don't think the shares will go to zero or the payments will stop, unless JC Penney goes out of business.  i don't see that happening, though i'm no retail expert.  now, the payout is fixed, so if you think we'll have some ginormous spike in interest rates where 11+ percent is no longer impressive, then PFH might not be for you.

i first read about this on the JCP Yahoo Messageboard (the boards on Yahoo are largely crap, but you'll find the occasional diamond in the rough).  i'd previously owned the JCP common stock and sold it for a profit a couple times, but it skyrocketed and got too pricey for my tastes.  the notes were trading around $11 to $11.50 then, which put the yield at over 16% (it even got into the 20s in early March and in October!) .  unfortunately, Scottrade doesn't let PFH be traded online (probably because the volume is so thin); you have to call in.  i dawdled on the calling, so i didn't buy it until $16.13.  still not bad, but i missed a better opportunity.

it's currently at $17.02.  it bounces around a bit, so if you're interested in buying it, i'd try to pick some up under $16.50, then buy more on the way down if it falls (unless you think JC Penney's going to croak).

you can read up on these notes and preferred shares by punching in the symbol at http://www.quantumonline.com/

anybody wanna be grisly and predict where unemployment tops out?  it's at 9.4% now.  i think it'll just crack 11%.

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Re: Super Duper Stock Market Thread (Part Tres)
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2009, 05:30:16 PM »
lol, figures after i recommend a buy "under $16.50", PFH gets as low as $16.51 a few days later, before starting a long march into the $19s. :P  while you've missed out on a lot if you waited for my target, i think it's still worth buying a little at the current price of $19.02, as it yields 10+% when it's <= $19.06.

the more confident people become about JC Penney's survival, the higher PFH will go, because in a low-interest-rate environment, its yield doesn't have to be high at all to compete with other bonds.  keep in mind this was issued with a face value of $25.00, and a yield of 7.625%.  this bond was probably issued in a higher interest rate environment, so it's fully possible for its price to exceed that face value when interest rates drop from the prevailing rate at the time.  heck, it's done so a few times, getting as high as $26.75 in early 2007 (admittedly much "happier" days for the economy).

let's look at another corporate note for comparison: ATT, senior notes for AT&T.  it was issued with a yield of 6.375%, and a face value of $25.00.  it's currently trading at $26.60, which is a yield of 5.99%.  now, there are some differences.  ATT is senior debt, which is higher than the PFH junior debt in the capital structure, so it's better for recovery should the companies tank.  also, AT&T is a far more solid earner and on better footing than JC Penney, which is expected to lose a little money this quarter.  it'll resume next quarter to earning a small amount of money, but it'll still be far inferior to recent years; contrast with AT&T, which has only seen a slight earnings dip, and no losses.

so i won't get as aggressive with PFH.  if it got to $25 here, once again yielding 7.625%, that'd be a 31% gain.  but i'll be more tempered and say it only returns to yields as low as 8.5%.  that'd make PFH reach $22.42, for a 17.9% gain.  or if it yields a hefty 9.0%, it'll still hit $21.18, an 11.3% gain.

now, if treasury yields start to rise significantly, PFH could fall (to be more competitive with risk-adjusted yields).  but i do think it's worth buying a few shares here.  you can always buy more on the way down.  now watch ...  right after me posting this, it'll plummet back down to $16.50. :P

btw, does anybody here even buy stocks or bonds?  am i wasting my time typing all this?
« Last Edit: July 27, 2009, 05:36:06 PM by assassin »

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Re: Super Duper Stock Market Thread (Part Tres)
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2009, 06:11:29 PM »
I'm too poor to think about stocks and bonds. Even if I had the dinero, I probably wouldn't anyway. Not my cup of tea.









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Re: Super Duper Stock Market Thread (Part Tres)
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2009, 06:15:23 PM »
You made me post 667! :banonsmash:

You could go to the last page and delete one of your old posts every time you make a new one, rendering the old conversations unreadable... Something similar happened at another forum I used to go to.

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Re: Super Duper Stock Market Thread (Part Tres)
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2009, 08:01:43 PM »
what's the direct URL to that Conan Satanic puppy image?  like any directory here, /forum/ranks/ is Forbidden from browsing.

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Re: Super Duper Stock Market Thread (Part Tres)
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2009, 09:27:36 PM »
I just saved a screenshot of it.

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Re: Super Duper Stock Market Thread (Part Tres)
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2009, 05:04:32 AM »

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Re: Super Duper Stock Market Thread (Part Tres)
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2009, 08:05:24 PM »
righteous!  *ominous music plays*  *looks away*

on a completely unrelated note (but related to the original topic), whatever happened to JCE3000GT's brother?  why haven't i seen him post anywhere besides finalconquest.net?  he knows a lot about stocks, and the last time i talked to him was before the economy fell in the crapper.  i'm curious how his portfolio's been doing, and how he's doing in general.

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Re: Super Duper Stock Market Thread (Part Tres)
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2010, 09:20:36 PM »
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lol, figures after i recommend a buy "under $16.50", PFH gets as low as $16.51 a few days later, before starting a long march into the $19s. :P  while you've missed out on a lot if you waited for my target, i think it's still worth buying a little at the current price of $19.02, as it yields 10+% when it's <= $19.06.

damnit.. i should have followed my own advice.  PFH is now at $22.50, 18.3% above where i recommended it.  so all i have is the measly 8 shares i bought on June 1 2009.  when i phoned in the order to Scottrade and said "I'd like to buy 8 shares of PFH at a limit of $16.30", the guy replied, "80 shares?".  then i corrected, "No, just 8." (because i'm a panzy).  see, it was probably unfathomable to the representative that anybody could be stupid enough to buy 8 shares of a ~16 dollar security, though he was polite enough to not state so.  but not unfathomable to me, because i've done crap like that on more than one occasion.  if i had went with 80, or heck, even 30-40, i would have made a killing.  but nooo, i had to wimp out and buy in a tiny increment, then refuse to "chase" PFH on the way up, even though i damn well should have.

anyway, the good news is my total Scottrade account is now sitting at a mere $363.25 under my total deposits into the account, or down 2.016%.  it's only $46.44 off my account's all-time high set on January 8 of this year.  so just a few hundred more until i'm finally back to even! :)

as the market continues to climb, i'll gradually continue to sell on the way up.  i'm really gonna get suspicious of it if the S&P 500 exceeds 1200, as this economy's still far from healed, and interest rates have nowhere to go but up (and higher rates mean lower stock prices, generally, because bonds become more attractive).  is there a point on the S&P/Dow/etc where i should get all-out in anticipation of it tanking?  for anybody who follows the market, what are your takes on it?

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Re: Super Duper Stock Market Thread (Part Tres)
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2010, 07:51:26 PM »
woot!  i finally broke even last Friday!  including forthcoming dividends, i closed over $42 above the total amount deposited into my account.  i don't even want to think how many hours i poured into the remarkable achievement of returning to Square One. :/

currently, i'm $21 higher yet, but down over $130 from my new record set this Monday.

i should take some money out of my brokerage account and put it back into my bank account, as 36% of the former is in cash, where they're paying me a miserable 0.05% to 0.10% APY.

speaking of APY, Sallie Mae has great returns on savings, and a solid 1-year CD:

http://go.salliemae.com/bank/product.aspx?dtd_cell=GO00000008E8

the savings APY in particular clobbers anything i've seen in months.

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Re: Super Duper Stock Market Thread (Part Tres)
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2011, 03:42:25 AM »
now i'm up 7.26% from my initial total deposits!  so it's arguably been worth my while to have played the stock market versus keeping all that money in the bank.  the market's been climbing quite regularly recently -- nice, but kind of eerie...

i should take some money out of my brokerage account and put it back into my bank account, as 36% of the former is in cash, where they're paying me a miserable 0.05% to 0.10% APY.

i still haven't done this, which is inexcusable.  28% of my Scottrade money is still sitting in cash, earning practically nil.  i could've been getting real interest elsewhere.  i'll move it by the end of January, honest. :/

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Re: Super Duper Stock Market Thread (Part Tres)
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2011, 11:55:49 PM »
Did you ever do that?

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Re: Super Duper Stock Market Thread (Part Tres)
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2011, 12:08:25 AM »
no.  :isuck:  any week now, though..  wiring money from the Scottrade account costs $$$, but the first 50 checks are free.  i printed out the form to request a checkbook from them months ago, but haven't sent it in yet.  procrastination is a mental illness!

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Re: Super Duper Stock Market Thread (Part Tres)
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2011, 12:22:12 AM »
Hahahaha

Sorry dude.

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Re: Super Duper Stock Market Thread (Part Tres)
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2011, 12:27:17 AM »
procrastination is a mental illness!
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