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Re: Final Fantasy IV: Playable Baigan Edition
« Reply #60 on: December 22, 2014, 12:24:39 AM »
You do have a point, I also kinda needed a little more motivation for Baigan to join Cecil's party other than "We gotta defeat Golbez!". Seriously, just imagine how pissed Baigan would be if he found out Rosa was being held captive.

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Re: Final Fantasy IV: Playable Baigan Edition
« Reply #61 on: December 22, 2014, 01:00:14 AM »
Yup I agree.  Plus you could also add some dialogue where Baigan and Kain argue and that Kain doesn't like him.  Extra drama.  :)

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Re: Final Fantasy IV: Playable Baigan Edition
« Reply #62 on: December 22, 2014, 01:10:23 AM »
Interesting concept. Is he still going to start out as a dick in the beginning of the game (presumably because of Golbez/Cagnazzo's control)? If so, how will that factor into the plot point of Rosa being kidnapped/almost killed?

You don't have to answer these questions now, but they are questions the hack will need to address, for sure.

You're replacing Edge, right? I guess that leaves a lot of room for plot surrounding Baigan, then.

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Re: Final Fantasy IV: Playable Baigan Edition
« Reply #63 on: December 22, 2014, 01:14:08 AM »
Nah, I think they would get along nicely. Now, I might make that happen between Baigan and Cid. I can just picture Cid just yelling at Baigan a lot. XD

@chillyfeez Also, the Baigan that Cecil fights is a fake, and the real Baigan is in jail in my hack.
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Re: Final Fantasy IV: Playable Baigan Edition
« Reply #64 on: December 22, 2014, 01:47:34 PM »
I always considered Baigan to be "just-off" the mark. Baigan likely comes from a high and noble line of Royal Guard Corps and may feel as if Kain and Cecil are beneath him. Possibly in feeling resentment towards Kain and Cecil as what he saw as favoritism from the King of Baron he allowed this jealousy to consume him, taking advantage of that the Cagnazzo posing as King of Baron may have played into Baigan's inadequacies, fooling him all around, and eventually convincing him to give up his humanity to become a better soldier for Golbez.

What I find really interesting is that Baigan is supposed to come off as immensely polite in the original game (in a proper translation, not our SNES version). Even when he's revealed to be a monster he doesn't lose his dignity. "Beigan: Oh, please don?t speak of him like that. He has given me a wonderful gift, the kind man that he is. This magnificent power!"

For Baigan to join Cecil I think it would be necessary to show that the two may have more of a bond than the original game lets on, of the four (Cecil, Kain, Rosa, and Baigan) he seems to have been the odd one out, but was still given high position (Rosa is actually the leader of the White Mage Corps in Baron, while never said in the game, the setting mentions this and is subtly referenced by the Red Wings and White Mage Corps attending the wedding of Cecil and Rosa in the DS version), I don't think its necessary to change Baigan's upbringing though. I do like the idea of a fake Baigan who lead the Royal Guard Corps to their untimely deaths though. This would make sense on why the real Baigan was locked up.

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Re: Final Fantasy IV: Playable Baigan Edition
« Reply #65 on: December 22, 2014, 01:53:42 PM »
Also, the real Baigan will finally show up with Cid after you defeat Cagnazzo, he joins the party after Palom and Porom leave, and Kain doesn't rejoin until after Cid leaves.


Also, I think making him Rosa's older brother might make him a little more of an important character to the player. Also, the faker concept is basically to justify how much of a dick he was, and it also justifies him still being alive after Cecil "kills" him.

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Re: Final Fantasy IV: Playable Baigan Edition
« Reply #66 on: December 22, 2014, 02:10:13 PM »
In truth it does also give him a legacy, his father would have then been a famous Dark Knight and his mother a White Mage, so I can understand that choice.

That said, if Baigan was a faithful Royal Guard Leader he would have been furious at learning that the king he was supposed to... y'know Guard had been replaced by a monster and killed. I think that's all of the motivation he would need, his sister being kidnapped is just a bit of added incentive, but through Baigan we might be able to see what someone constantly close to the King of Baron would think in memory of his lord.

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Re: Final Fantasy IV: Playable Baigan Edition
« Reply #67 on: December 22, 2014, 03:24:38 PM »
I sort of agree, but I think Baigan doesn't need to be THAT deep of a character to be honest. XD

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Re: Final Fantasy IV: Playable Baigan Edition
« Reply #68 on: December 22, 2014, 03:33:22 PM »
True, true. I often make characters out to Probably be more than they are by going off of the little tidbits of background and text that the game gives them.

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Re: Final Fantasy IV: Playable Baigan Edition
« Reply #69 on: December 22, 2014, 05:52:58 PM »
I also gotta let you guys know how Baigan will fight. Baigan will fight similar to a Battlemage of sorts or a Magic Knight. I also made some custom spells for him such as:

Charge: Replenishes all of the users MP

1stAid: An adept healing spell that can only be used in battle

Purify: Cures all negative status ailments on self. I might replace this with an Ice Elemental Spell

And I slightly altered the Flame spell to make the flames blue

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Re: Final Fantasy IV: Playable Baigan Edition
« Reply #70 on: December 22, 2014, 05:57:03 PM »
Those are some nice ideas, though since Edge is no longer around you could replace all six of his spells. Quick question about 1stAid though, does it use the normal Cure routine or does it use one of the %Base Healing routines?

I always pictured Baigan as a bit of a mage-knight myself, so its always nice to see that work well.

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Re: Final Fantasy IV: Playable Baigan Edition
« Reply #71 on: December 22, 2014, 06:02:58 PM »
1stAid Is a moderately powerful healing spell that has 36 power.

Also, I'm keeping Flame, Flood and Blitz, but they're slightly altered.
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Re: Final Fantasy IV: Playable Baigan Edition
« Reply #72 on: December 22, 2014, 07:16:05 PM »
Right, I suppose that makes a good deal of sense, it makes as much sense as a Ninja with powerful elemental magics in any event, hehe.

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Re: Final Fantasy IV: Playable Baigan Edition
« Reply #73 on: December 22, 2014, 08:25:36 PM »
Actually it makes more sense for a Battlemage/Magic Knight to have semi-powerful Elemental Magics. XD

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Re: Final Fantasy IV: Playable Baigan Edition
« Reply #74 on: December 22, 2014, 08:30:31 PM »
Hehe, yes that's what I meant to put, that it would make More sense, not "as much" sense, since they never really elaborated on why a Ninja had access to these sorts of powerful spells. While you would expect a Magic Knight to be able to dish out the elemental powers.