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Fun with Golbez
« on: June 08, 2008, 01:04:37 AM »
You guys don't know how long I've wanted to do this for:



For some reason I never bothered to try this when Phoenix found the battle magic list data until just now. I need to write an actual battle script for Zemus now.
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Re: Fun with Golbez
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2008, 03:40:39 AM »
 :omg: That's badass!

[spoiler=offtopic-ness]Aha, I see you've finally resized the lowercase "g". Funny thing is, I've thought about that looking better for a while now. Gonna switch to that style for PB?[/spoiler]
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Re: Fun with Golbez
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2008, 09:12:01 AM »
I thought you were going to make Golbez dance or something.  :tongue:

Insert a twin command or something and make Fusoya v2 would be more interesting....
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Re: Fun with Golbez
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2008, 12:38:24 PM »
Quote from: Deathlike2 on June 08, 2008, 09:12:01 AM
Insert a twin command or something and make Fusoya v2 would be more interesting....

I disagree, just being able to use him in a meaningful way is interesting enough. I don't know if assigning FuSoYa and Golbez the Twin command will make them cast Double Meteor as in the scripted battle or not, but even if it does I have no interest in doing it. I'm not even sure if I want to give Golbez summon magic, his big thing is going to be how awesome he is at casting black magic that is usually weak for the other characters. Don't forget that FuSoYa is going to be an awesome mage in this hack too, he's not going to be Tellah 2.0 anymore.

Quote from: vivify93 on June 08, 2008, 03:40:39 AM
[spoiler=offtopic-ness]Aha, I see you've finally resized the lowercase "g". Funny thing is, I've thought about that looking better for a while now. Gonna switch to that style for PB?[/spoiler]

I don't really like it, I'm only using it because I plan on rearranging a few menus in the same way J2e did in their translation and I don't want the lines to bleed together.
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Re: Fun with Golbez
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2008, 12:43:39 PM »
Quote from: Dragonsbrethren on June 08, 2008, 12:38:24 PM
Quote from: Deathlike2 on June 08, 2008, 09:12:01 AM
Insert a twin command or something and make Fusoya v2 would be more interesting....

I disagree, just being able to use him in a meaningful way is interesting enough. I don't know if assigning FuSoYa and Golbez the Twin command will make them cast Double Meteor as in the scripted battle or not, but even if it does I have no interest in doing it. I'm not even sure if I want to give Golbez summon magic, his big thing is going to be how awesome he is at casting black magic that is usually weak for the other characters. Don't forget that FuSoYa is going to be an awesome mage in this hack too, he's not going to be Tellah 2.0 anymore.

I think Phoenix said that it would, because of how the command deals with those two characters. It's not required or anything, but it would've been a reasonable expectation.

Right now, if you make him some semblence to an FF5 Red Mage (but with full magic), that would be an upgrade.

Now that I think about it, a custom magic command for spells would be a lot more interesting, like a Blue/Red one (if only to be symbolic, but not required) just to make stuff interesting.. given what is known now.
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Re: Fun with Golbez
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2008, 01:09:08 PM »
He's only playable for this one battle, so I don't want to put too much effort into anything custom for him, he does get his own special weapon (Which I've yet to test with him, need to merge my item hacks into this ROM) though. You could steal it from him if you really wanted to try it on another character... :wink:
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Re: Fun with Golbez
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2008, 01:13:27 PM »
Quote from: Dragonsbrethren on June 08, 2008, 01:09:08 PM
He's only playable for this one battle, so I don't want to put too much effort into anything custom for him, he does get his own special weapon (Which I've yet to test with him, need to merge my item hacks into this ROM) though. You could steal it from him if you really wanted to try it on another character... :wink:

I was thinking more in terms of improving FuSoYa, not necessarily Golbez...
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Re: Fun with Golbez
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2008, 06:39:44 PM »
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Insert a twin command or something and make Fusoya v2 would be more interesting....
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I think Phoenix said that it would [work]

It will; it'll make them cast W.Meteo.
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Re: Fun with Golbez
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2008, 04:05:30 AM »
Quote from: Dragonsbrethren on June 08, 2008, 01:09:08 PM
He's only playable for this one battle, so I don't want to put too much effort into anything custom for him, he does get his own special weapon (Which I've yet to test with him, need to merge my item hacks into this ROM) though. You could steal it from him if you really wanted to try it on another character... :wink:

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that won't work. Golbez is equipped with the last set of equipment in the initial equipment data (a Wizard helmet, a Sorcerer shirt, a Diamond ring, a Lunar staff, and 255 fists = nothing). However, in the battle, he has no equipment; he attacks with just his fists. Changing his initial equipment has no impact. It's not in the initial equipment loader, either -- Tellah v.3 is the only one with a special check in that code. I'll let you know if I come across the place to fix this.
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Re: Fun with Golbez
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2008, 11:43:03 AM »
Quote from: Phoenix on June 10, 2008, 04:05:30 AM
Quote from: Dragonsbrethren on June 08, 2008, 01:09:08 PM
He's only playable for this one battle, so I don't want to put too much effort into anything custom for him, he does get his own special weapon (Which I've yet to test with him, need to merge my item hacks into this ROM) though. You could steal it from him if you really wanted to try it on another character... :wink:

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that won't work. Golbez is equipped with the last set of equipment in the initial equipment data (a Wizard helmet, a Sorcerer shirt, a Diamond ring, a Lunar staff, and 255 fists = nothing). However, in the battle, he has no equipment; he attacks with just his fists. Changing his initial equipment has no impact. It's not in the initial equipment loader, either -- Tellah v.3 is the only one with a special check in that code. I'll let you know if I come across the place to fix this.

My assumption is that Dragonsbrethren has changed the initial equipment, and you can remove the weapon(+shield) during battle for use in the very final battle...
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Re: Fun with Golbez
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2008, 01:48:17 PM »
I have, but as I said I haven't had a chance to test it in this ROM (This is just a copy of FF2us with my font in it and the Golbez tweaks, hence the crappy stats). If Phoenix says it won't work I'm sure it won't, I noticed Golbez had no equipment in this test but I just figured nothing was assigned to him and that other starting equipment set was for the second FuSoYa.

As a side note, Golbez has no attacking animation*, he just stands there while his weapon swings. I've actually written this into the story that it's part of the Lunarian's psionic powers, Cecil hasn't mastered the technique but FuSoYa and Golbez have.

*He also lacks a weakened animation, haven't come up with any half-assed way of explaining that one.
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Re: Fun with Golbez
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2008, 01:58:13 PM »
Quote from: Dragonsbrethren on June 10, 2008, 01:48:17 PM
*He also lacks a weakened animation, haven't come up with any half-assed way of explaining that one.
He is Golbez! He can never be weakened! He's like Sephiroth, only more of a badass. *shot*
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Re: Fun with Golbez
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2008, 02:08:38 PM »
Well, there are a number of animation issues with critical status in general (particularly in conjunction with Float), so meh.
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Re: Fun with Golbez
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2008, 04:33:50 PM »
Quote from: Lenophis on June 10, 2008, 01:58:13 PM
Quote from: Dragonsbrethren on June 10, 2008, 01:48:17 PM
*He also lacks a weakened animation, haven't come up with any half-assed way of explaining that one.
He is Golbez! He can never be weakened! He's like Sephiroth, only more of a badass. *shot*

I'm not so sure about that, Sephiroth couldn't even take damage...which I always thought was pretty lame. It would have been far cooler if he just took extremely reduced damage and could absorb fire.
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Re: Fun with Golbez
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2008, 04:38:17 PM »
It's sad when Cloud.. or more correctly Zack got totally raped by every monster encountered.
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