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LordGarmonde

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Re: The Drawing Board
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2014, 08:11:09 PM »
Quote from: Pinkpuff on January 15, 2014, 08:03:45 PM
Actually if you ask me, a prequel would be an interesting idea for a hack. A sort of "FF4 The Before Years" or something. Young Tellah, young Odin, maybe Palom & Porom's parents (a Time Mage and an Oracle might be interesting for them!), some original characters of course, explore some jobs from other FFs that we didn't get in any other version of FF4 like Geomancer, Mystic Knight, etc. maybe use some of those cool custom commands going on in the other thread...


That's not bad - not too bad at all; I like it!

On a personal note it would free me of the guilt I can't shake when even thinking of messing with the story in the game - I feel like I'm betraying it - what is that? Honestly now?  :omg: - But back story with new characters: "Golden Ticket" time! As long as there's no George Lucasing - no guilt!
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2014, 08:14:46 PM »
Quote from: LordGarmonde on January 15, 2014, 08:05:46 PM
I'll buy that - that's the kind of back-story that even if ret-conned still feels right. "Unraveling one ancient magical after another with his abilities..." definitely building towards Meteo - Coincidentally a name which if given the space I still wouldn't change: to see a man put all of himself in to trying to kill someone and in trying shouts "METEOR" really just doesn't carry the same force behind it as "METEO" - That may be me though.

Meteo does have a certain uniqueness to it, doesn't it.

Quote from: LordGarmonde on January 15, 2014, 08:11:09 PM
That's not bad - not too bad at all; I like it!

On a personal note it would free me of the guilt I can't shake when even thinking of messing with the story in the game - I feel like I'm betraying it - what is that? Honestly now?  :omg: - But back story with new characters: "Golden Ticket" time! As long as there's no George Lucasing - no guilt!

Thanks!

Tellah was always pretty energetic but just imagine what he'd be like with the vigor of youth! Maybe he'd actually be more red-mage-like, with the feather hat and able to equip some swords and such... and I know what a headache this would probably be to implement, but can you imagine Double Cast??
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Re: The Drawing Board
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2014, 08:19:22 PM »
That would be a really neat idea Pinkpuff! Considering that Odin alone seems to have had a few adventures here and there and knew KluYa and Cecilia at some point.

I guess a few more characters would be the Elder, Maybe also include Kain's dad who is mentioned as the head of the Dragoon Corps (and FFIV DS calls him Ricard in reference to FFII where Ricard has a son named Kain), maybe the old King of Fabul could work. The only issue would be what the plot would be, granted the supplemental guide makes it seem as if FFIV's world is ever on the brink of a new disaster and Baron's military isn't just there for show. Monster raids, possibly?

I personally feel like FFIV, while a great story, has a lot of room to grow. Unless you do something really bizarre (like having Tellah join up with Golbez to get revenge for Anna... Oh wait... FFIV has a world that can be greatly expanded upon and this just happens to be the newest post that I'm writing about on what they possibly had as beta plans for FFIV through the old supplemental guide.

Yes. The best spell name ever made to me is Meteo.

Double Cast may not be as difficult to incorporate as one may think actually... it might not even take up That much space now that I think on it.

I theorize that Tellah may have been a Red Mage when he was younger, he definitely has the Red of a classic Red Mage on his person. (hence why he can use Swords and the Break Skills in my Break SKills patch)
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Re: The Drawing Board
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2014, 09:17:39 PM »
It's so far off that I'll just sketch it out - that's what I made the Drawing Board for!

I don't like hypnosis and I don't like events I can to easily see through as ways to cut you off - I know that the universal standard - I don't mean to criticze it - I just know this game too well and when you leave Babil you close the underground so then (only then, never before...?) you get the hook so you can meet Edge and go back down where your choices limit again until you re-do what Cid un-did, after you did it the first time...

Maybe that's just me - I kinda feel a jerk having written it out like that...

I didn't mean it; I'm sorry!! I still love you FF4!  :childish:

Anyone else feel that way? (Not the love-profession/breakdown :P )
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Re: The Drawing Board
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2014, 09:22:17 PM »
Oh yeah - duh - kinda didn't follow up on the hypnosis comment  :blush:

I sketched out the following: Kain is pretty much Lando in Empire Strikes Back - he's a good guy - but ended up in a bad place - made a bad deal, and just couldn't get out of it for a while: I plan to approach that as Golbez having come to Baron offering to Kain - Get rid of Cecil - get me the Crystals - you get Baron, and get Rosa - he just wants her too bad and Golbez gives him nothing in return, but Kain's still stuck in that tower - can't resist on his own - or something like that
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Re: The Drawing Board
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2014, 09:30:39 PM »
With the whole Kain motivation shift the should still play the same - even his later shame and guilt is perfectly built up - in fact moreso since he always had control

Golbez is the big dream - always has been - Fedorajoe made a good Golbez hack - it did a lot towards getting me to think about changing when characters come and go - but with extra characters often times and two fully-loaded black mages for the end - too easy and to me, not enough Golbez time
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Re: The Drawing Board
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2014, 09:59:41 PM »
I've toyed with the idea of creating "Story patches" that follow one specific character like FFIV follows solely Cecil.

Sort of like this...

Rydia
Meet the people of Mist, do a couple of small errands for her Mom, (maybe add a cave for her to go through) watch her Mom command the Mist Dragon and die when the Dragon is defeated. Rydia vs. Cecil and Kain, events happen as normal, no walk to Kaipo, except she does recover there and you proceed to save Rosa by getting to Damcyan, a little more bonding with Tellah along the way, Damcyan-Antlion's Cave-Mt Hobbs is normal. Rydia should get a few fights alongside Rosa in protecting Fabul.

Her story makes a major divergence after being swallowed by Leviathan and brought to the Feymarch. Here she bonds with the various Eidolons and learns to summon Shiva, Ifrit, Ramuh, Titan, and the Mist Dragon through six mini dungeons (along with a story of helping to stop an invasion of the Feymarch by other monsters). Then by now she has aged considerably and is told by Leviathan to assist Cecil who will soon be in danger, and once she makes it out of the Path to the Feymarch (maybe make it so that an evil force is obstructing Leviathan's powers and that evil force is making camp at the base of the Path of the Feymarch) is transported to the front of the Dwarven Castle and quickly gains access, saves the party and... the rest of the game is pretty much normal from there, as would be the case with all five normal characters.

Granted I think Rosa could have an interesting adventure and here's a couple of reasons...

That waterfall basin near Baron always fascinated me and that the basin starts from high in the mountains always made me think that Rosa may have taken a secret path through the waterfall to reach a descending point in the basin and made her way to Damcyan from there. Though her story wouldn't really be much different from that point on.

Kain's however could be Quite different. As you mentioned he is basically lost after Mist. He might even be able to participate in the attack on Damcyan to retrieve the Fire Crystal, then maybe deal with some rebellion in Baron against the King and then off to Fabul to fight Cecil. After that is... tricky. I rather liked that the Dark Elf proved to be an obstacle even to Golbez, I could imagine Kain going into the Magnes Cave and failing to defeat the Dark Elf, I can't think of anything else much creative for him at the moment.

Though I really like the idea of separate character stories.
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Re: The Drawing Board
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2014, 10:16:04 PM »
Ah - that reminds me of something I set up for when I first got here:

Quote from: LordGarmonde on December 02, 2013, 11:57:37 PM
The one I wrote for Mist (my first Assembly routine ever!) is as follows:

0000:FAD9 22 04 80 1D  jsl 1D8004   (Originally jsl 15C6FA - replaced with my call)

-- My Code --

001D:8004 22 FA C6 15  jsl 15C6FA   (First execute the original modification routine)
001D:8008 AD 81 12      lda 1281      (Check For Mist Flag)
001D:800B 29 40           and #40      ($1281 = 40 => Set)
001D:800D F0 0E           beq 801D    (If Yes - Execute my code, Else Return)
001D:800F A9 01           lda #01      (Load New Tile Value #01 Chosen for Testing)
001D:8011 8F D4 92 7F  sta 7F92D4  (Overwrite address with new value)
001D:8015 8F D4 93 7F  sta 7F93D4  (Overwrite address with new value)
001D:8019 8F D4 94 7F  sta 7F94D4  (Overwrite address with new value)
001D:801D 6B               rtl              (Return Long)

So as you can see it replaces the original subroutine call with one way out in the middle of nowhere - then runs the code as originally written after which my changes are tacked on.

What I did was I connected that basin to the ocean straight up - put a basin at the top, and one above the path from Mist - and then when the quake happens - the basins connect with mountain on either side, but it cleared a path so you could chocobo from Baron to Toria - or I was laying it out, Toria to Baron - I was going (1st draft here) to have the Devil's Road to Baron get interrupted mid teleport - in fact I have a ROM with the events reconfigured (somewhere) but in a nut shell...

Normal game through Paladin Promotion
Take the road - just before Baron screen darkens (magnetic sound)
- Appear in Dark Elf's Cave - in the Crystal Room - he attacks, you "die" wake up in the hospital and rejoin with Edward - then take care of the Dark Elf, and then Chocobo down to Baron to get Cid/Airship

- or something - but I set the map up so totally hear you - I don't like the way Rosa got ahead with no explaination

- Also, I'm with you on individual stories - lots of fun to be had there!
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Re: The Drawing Board
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2014, 10:32:40 PM »
That is actually really cool what you have set up there!

I would love to see a picture of that, world map modifications always excite me.
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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2014, 10:47:01 PM »
Not 100% done - but you get the idea. The mountain pass I made needs smoothing for example - But there would be a single width river connecting the basins after the quake  :wink:

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« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2014, 11:12:52 PM »
Haha, true story - in my hack, there are some "hire-able" (relatively nameless) characters. One is a dragoon. Most of them take their names (since they have to have names) from the members of Tantalus from ffix, but the Dragoon's name is Lando. I shit you not.

Anyway, I love the Idea of a Before-Years. I've tossed the idea around as a follow-up if and when I finish my current project... a little peppering of a backstory for KluYa is kind of a key element in my plot towards the end... kinda hard to explain without explaining the whole story...
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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2014, 12:54:27 AM »
That is some good world modeling there LordGarmonde! I suppose it will only be a matter of time until FF4kster will be able to edit the world map, does that little path to Troia signify anything out of curiosity? Or, as you said when you get a Black Chocobo you can fly right over to Mist (which is a great idea by the way).

Ah? You managed to fit Generic Characters into your TAAY Chillyfeez? That is interesting!

Also, more info. about KluYa is always a good thing. FFIV:DS added a bit on him as well.
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« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2014, 03:44:43 AM »
Quote from: chillyfeez on January 15, 2014, 11:12:52 PM
Haha, true story - in my hack, there are some "hire-able" (relatively nameless) characters. One is a dragoon. Most of them take their names (since they have to have names) from the members of Tantalus from ffix, but the Dragoon's name is Lando. I shit you not.

LANDO! That's awesome  :cycle:

Quote from: Grimoire LD on January 16, 2014, 12:54:27 AM
That is some good world modeling there LordGarmonde! I suppose it will only be a matter of time until FF4kster will be able to edit the world map, does that little path to Troia signify anything out of curiosity? Or, as you said when you get a Black Chocobo you can fly right over to Mist (which is a great idea by the way).

Back when I was setting that up I was thinking that no Chocobo's in the area until after the Dark Elf is gone - need a land bridge, but no big deal

Then go through the Dark Elf scenario and then ride a yellow Chocobo over the water down to Baron and go through the story there - I wanted to leave Tellah behind in Toria so that there won't be an Thundaga incidents with a certain water fiend - but it was all in planning stages, haven't really been back
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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2014, 03:59:17 AM »
Quote from: Grimoire LD on January 15, 2014, 09:42:05 PM
Let's start from the beginning...

"Long, long ago...
a great light appeared in the sky.
It bathed the earth below in its warm luminance
and then disappeared for parts unknown.
Afterwards, four small lights remained
and a new planet was born in the heavens.
An evil will yet reached out for Earth,
but it remained sealed away by a strong power."

Quite a bit different than anything we see in-game! What is interesting is that this coincides with FFIV:TAY's overall plot very well... now if they would have Included this Anywhere in either game maybe the Final Boss wouldn't have seemingly come out of nowhere. Also I have to wonder at this point if Zemus was even thought up. Mainly because "An evil will yet reached out for Earth" I don't think the Lunarians looking for a new home is an "Evil will" that reached out for Earth.

- That never struck me right either - and though giving it away, my hack is definitely a ways off and it's fun to talk it through in the meantime :)

- That was going to be my way to bring in Golbez - not hypnotized either -directly posessed - and when you defeat him @ Giott's Castle Golbez collapses but in stead of the hand - it'd be Zemus - I made that event too - gotta find it (bad organization when I first started)

- You see a quick glimpse of him and then you dump Golbez in the Hospital (bottom left bunk) and go to Babil

- After that I was working ways to add him to the party, I had a few ideas but it wasn't 100% reasoned out
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Re: The Drawing Board
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2014, 08:32:05 AM »
Quote from: Grimoire LD on January 16, 2014, 12:54:27 AM
Ah? You managed to fit Generic Characters into your TAAY Chillyfeez? That is interesting!

Also, more info. about KluYa is always a good thing. FFIV:DS added a bit on him as well.
Five generic characters, one secret character who can take the generic spot, four main party characters who - by the end - you can switch at whim, one main party character who gets a "big choice" that affects what his job is for the second half of the game, and one completely static character (not to mention one temporary character who is not part of the final party). Altogether, there are 30 possibilities for your final party - all without a shadow party hack. Though figuring out a way to import shadow party equipment is on my agenda eventually - it must be possible, just haven't really explored it yet.

I have the DS version. I forgot there was some KluYa in it... I'll have to play through again to make sure I avoid continuity issues.
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